AKPLS
> Mike Berry, I am sorry but I wasn’t referring to you with Mike – that is northern surveyor.
Thanks. No problem... my bad. It's good to know Northern is a "Mike". The fact that some posters are anonymous doesn’t bother me one bit, but it’s nice to put a real world name to a personage you’ve become somewhat familiar with.
Good luck dealing with your predicament. There’s a handful of other sharp, experienced Alaska LSs that post here and you can always contact folks via their beerleg profile to talk behind the scenes about ways to approach a licensing board, a state society, et cetera. Beerleg works on many levels - world wide, nation wide, state wide, even locally. Could be a good place to shift the winds of change for the better.
AKPLS
Ya akpls, and your comments about me and my prior post to provide a suggested course of action were out of line and shows some sort of bitter view you seem to have. I think I have far more experience than you, like almost double, and you seem to not even tried to seek remedies that are available and then complain on a forum board.
I would just ask you: Have you taken the effort to make a complaint? I am long gone from DOT&PF, but they cannot be everywhere so how can they know the status of all corners affected by a construction project? Nobody can be mind readers, or get insight you might have by osmosis. If you want to email me, I can put you in touch with the top people at any Region of DOT&PF and you can vent there. I bet they do something about it if you have real proof. The burden is on the Agency to comply with the statutory law, plain and simple. If you do not get resolve there, contact the licensing board if you have proof the public is being harmed, that is their role to protect the public. I know they too won't blow things off if you have specifics and evidence to prove the situation. Are you involved with the Professional Society? I have been since 1974, including being State President for a few years. That group would be an advocate in these matters. Please, tell us how you have tried to do something to remedy the situation rather than vent here? I think you would have more supporters than foes from professional surveyors concerning destruction of monuments.
To answer your original query, yes evidence is evidence if it is reliable and verifiable. Have you gone down the path to get pre-construction survey information to verify data on the construction plans by working together with them? If construction plans provide verifiable evidence of the original corner location, I personally think it is a silly question as there should be no question that one ever call a corner lost when there was substantial evidence of the corner position. Not doing so and moving on to calling the corner lost and go to some lost corner replacement method has no defense of being a correct procedure. However, sadly I see to many surveyors swing a metal detector and with nothing pinging after a few swings of the wand move on to lost corner replacement methods, many of which are not the correct methods to re-establish the corner in a legally defensible position. Working together with your Regional ADOT&PF locations surveyor is pretty supportive of proper professional practice. I leave it to you to decide if making off hand judgmental jabs at them without all of the facts on a forum board is.
NS out. I don't get out here very frequently, and may not be back here for a while as I am headed to someplace warm on the equator where internet and computers are yet to be discovered. RADU, I will be half way to you.
edit: Since I am dropping off the grid, I put a few people who have responsibility and authority in these matters pointers to this thread.
AKPLS
You have your opinion and I have mine, both derived from our own personal experience.
As far as jabs, your reputation precedes you on this one but I will ask you how many construction projects you have set stakes on in the last 15 years?
I see this as a typical agency response, you are the agency and I am the surveyor in the field, the things that are going on are not hard to see, I bet if you looked at 50% of the construction projects going on outside of Anchorage this past season or in the next season you would have no problem finding the things I have jabbed about occurring. So, why does the agency responsible for their own actions require private surveyors to investigate complain, provide proof and follow through to issues that they are violating? Why can’t they get out and take care of their own responsibilities?
