OK all you Old Timers, (RTK button pushers may move on),
I'm looking for some really good examples of Field Notes. They're the stuff Surveyors used to write in those little 4" x 7" orange books while walking around the city, woods or desert. I've seen examples in textbooks (just posted one in the Starnet thread), but I'd like to see some good examples of notes from traverses for example. Or perhaps a network setup where you shoot multiple spots from a single location.
Or, perhaps the kind of notes one takes for staking out...presumably these are done ahead of time prior to going into the field.
Any of the other basic stuff that would be good to develop in practice.
Is this a lost art?
> I'm looking for some really good examples of Field Notes.
Well, here's the form I use when booking angle and distance measurements by hand (which doesn't happen very often any more):
[pre]
Inst @ 2 (Spike) HI=4.935 |
Obj F Lt F Rt Mean Reduced | S Dist Z Ang
Spike | HT = 5.940
1 0°00'00" 180°00'06" 03" 0°00'00" | 350.025 89°45'36" 270°14'15"
| H Dist Delta H
Spike | HT = 4.940
3 178°32'45" 358°32'50" 47" 178°32'44" | 401.780 +9.230 +9.260
[/pre]
The two values of Z Ang and Delta H are in the F Lt and F Rt positions. The S Dist and H Dist values are averages of two or three measurements. I usually book H Dist and Delta H because it is more compact.
The "|" character indicates the fold line between pages of the book. For brevity, "Inst" is replaced by a three-stroke symbol for the instrument, a horizontal line supported by an upside-down V.
Austin is where I transitioned from military to civilian surveyor in the early 80's. The notes from my days at Jeryl Hart and CSCI were great no matter who the chief was. These days a 'chief' is likely to have never written an angle in a field book...
How old school do you want to go?
Agist...;)
:good: 😉
Paul Smiths Hijack
WOW - I did not expect to see Dean Rutherford's name when I opened that post.
I first met Rutherford in 1970 when looking into attending PSC.
Chet Yops was the surveying instructor while I was there, but died in the spring of our final semester. Rutherford took over the class for the last few months. I recall him staring at the ceiling with his eyes closed as he lectured about legal matters.
Ken
TFSO, 72
Dennis...
what do I have to do to get a copy?
I'm in AZ - its a bit far to go to take you to lunch...
Dennis...
I'd be happy with seeing what pages 2-3-4 say! Fair use would probably allow posting some/all of those pages if they address the question (which was more about getting samples of REAL notes).
Hey...I was at CSCI in the mid 80's...
Perhaps we know each other...
Paul Smiths Hijack
That's where I learned that surveyors could bring their dog to work. Still pretty common around these parts.
Dennis...
Send me an email address and I'll try to scan it in this weekend.
Hey...I was at CSCI in the mid 80's...
I was a 'junior' crew chief there in '85 and '86. I worked with Tom Briner while he was trying to make the switch to the office. The project manager I did most of my stuff for was Sam something? I spent a lot of time at Pflugerville Flats and Circle C Ranch. If there was a job nobody wanted I got it, and it really didn't bother me. Jerry got a good volume of work and I got to learn about surveying to build instead of blowing things up.
Back on subject, I still use the same note style I learned there. Of course I only go to the field once or twice a year now...
Post your email address. A party chief who retired 5 years ago would take the best notes. Many of which were better than some plats.
Wow I didn't know Bill Rutherford had written that book. We had George Peroni for surveying and I don't remember what he used for field notes. George did have a rubber stamp he stamped everyone's field book with that listed everything that was to be included in the notes/sketches in the book. I still have my PSC books in my office.
Bill Rutherford did bring his dog everywhere the dog would sleep in the corner of the classroom while Bill lectured.
I feel very fortunate to have Bill Rutherford. George Peroni and Gould Hoyt as professors, they don't make them like that anymore!
T.W.
I also had all three of them as Professors. They were from the old school, I don't think I ever saw them without a tie on, even in the field.
I can still see Dean Rutherford standing up in front of the class reducing a traverse with his slide rule. I never saw him use a calculator.
PPF '78
Never did Traverse notes in a field book like that, even when I started in the early 80's. Always had some form my employer wanted us to use.
Bionic- What was your military surveying? I was an army field artillery surveyor at Fort Hood TX ('83-85').
I was fire direction at Campbell 79 to 81, same at camp Casey Korea 81 to 82. After that I was an instructor at benning. I had the good fortune to travel the world learning and teaching without being shot at..
Was any of your training under a Col Hendrix at Ft Sill.
He taught me surveying 101.
Hey did you ever get a copy of some field notes? I wouldn't mind a copy of them myself if you have any to share.
