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(@mark-mayer)
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I know that for many of you "Bock and Clark" are curse words. But they do put together, and offer freely, a well produced Handbook for ALTA/NSPS Land Surveys which is worth downloading.

 
Posted : November 14, 2016 2:07 pm
 ppm
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Interesting to see all the items that they request from a borrower when seeking a quote... Then on the same property they send out for Survey Quotes they will NOT provide the prospective PLS with those items. Some of them, but not all.

That being a little aside, That is a good outline for sure.

 
Posted : November 14, 2016 3:05 pm
Bruce Small
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Mark Mayer, post: 399579, member: 424 wrote: I know that for many of you "Bock and Clark" are curse words. But they do put together, and offer freely, a well produced Handbook for ALTA/NSPS Land Surveys which is worth downloading.

I was very much impressed by the professional quality of the handbook until I got near the end and found, "Within the 2016 Minimum Standard Detail Requirements, Section 7‰ÛÒCertification, the following verbiage appears:"

I say that because I understand the meaning of "verbiage," or "verbage" as it is sometimes called.

 
Posted : November 14, 2016 5:49 pm
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Bruce Small, post: 399644, member: 1201 wrote: "verbiage," or "verbage"

In fact the word "verbiage" is used several times. Perhaps some poster with a U of O degree in such matters can ajudicate this.

 
Posted : November 14, 2016 6:08 pm
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Oh, my. This is classic.

veråábiåáage
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noun

  1. 1.
    speech or writing that uses too many words or excessively technical expressions.
    synonyms: verbosity, wordiness, prolixity, long-windedness, loquacity, rigmarole, circumlocution,superfluity, periphrasis
    "Professor Chin's verbiage is tiresome"
  2. 2.
    US
    the way in which something is expressed; wording or diction.
    "we need to look at how the rule should be applied, based on the verbiage"
 
Posted : November 14, 2016 7:29 pm

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Mark Mayer, post: 399649, member: 424 wrote: In fact the word "verbiage" is used several times. Perhaps some poster with a U of O degree in such matters can ajudicate this.

Much as a camel is oft times described as "a horse designed by a committee" it strikes me that survey standards written by a committee ( albeit a learned and noble one) could very accurately be described as verbiage.

As an aside - I recently completed a task to write an update to the right of way, survey and subsurface utility engineering chapters of a DOT design manual for a local city that share's its name with an apparently (at least according to some posters here) nice state. By the time it went through two rounds of agency comments, review by the DOT's legal department, and editing by the "technical writer" overseeing the whole project (a technical writer being a college graduate without out the writing skills to gain real employment as a scribe and with out the actual knowledge or skill to work in a technical field) it reads like a Leica software manual.

 
Posted : November 15, 2016 4:16 am