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(@lmbrls)
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I assume that the cross hair on the GPS unit is the correct position? Is this one of Kent's RTK surveyors?

 
Posted : December 3, 2014 1:45 pm
(@jim-frame)
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Clearly inadequate work...

> Hands up everybody (other than John & Jerry) who has ever filed a recovery report.

There are probably around 400 with my name on them, though I've personally only prepared a few dozen. (Most are associated with large bluebooked projects in which a colleague prepared the descriptions.)

Deb Brown told me that she reviews all the mark recoveries submitted, so I assume this has always been the case.

 
Posted : December 3, 2014 1:58 pm
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Clearly inadequate work...

I have done a good number, just did a batch of them last week. Is there a way to search by contributor to see what your count is?

SHG

 
Posted : December 3, 2014 4:03 pm
(@bill93)
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Clearly inadequate work...

It's hard to characterize a group with one evaluation. The Power Squadron, when they were actively reporting, varied more than most groups in the quality of their reports.

I think a lot of them had a form to check a box on, and there was no "Didn't look", so they did not distinguish between "I looked hard and couldn't find it" versus "I didn't have time to look hard." I disregard their "Not Found" reports.

Most of them also tended to not give any explanation of their search or update on the To-Reach or ties, which also makes me think it was a checklist. I've found a few examples of them finding the wrong thing, e.g., some other agency's disk in the same area and often mistaking a RESET for an original.

Still, some of the people were thorough, and overall most of the reports that said someone found it were right.

 
Posted : December 3, 2014 4:33 pm
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Clearly inadequate work...

> Is there a way to search by contributor to see what your count is?

Not that I'm aware of.

P.S. I just looked at one project -- GPS2516 -- and it has 429 of my recovery notes in it. Some marks were recovered more than once, but I didn't try to tease out that number.

 
Posted : December 3, 2014 6:04 pm
(@paden-cash)
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US Power Squadron

I wish I had paid attention when I was younger. I would have a wealth of information about the Power Squadron and their recovery notes. One of my former employers, a civil engineer and land surveyor, was a mucky-muck with the US Power Squadron. Quite active in the late sixties, he took his USPS stuff serious. Once a month (usually) they would mobilize and take off hunting and recovering monuments.

My take on it was a bunch of WWII vets trying hard to relive their glory days. While that might be a harsh and immature recollection, I earned it. They had a damned plywood booth that was used for fairs and exhibitions. That thing was always in the garage behind the office, getting in the way. And guess who got to paint it every year so it would look "bright"?

I'm sure Wendell took his recovery work serious. The kind of foolishness seen nowadays on recovery notes sure wouldn't have flown in his days. And I bet that infernal plywood booth is still floating around somewhere making some other youngster miserable. 😉

 
Posted : December 3, 2014 8:15 pm
(@dave-karoly)
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Some knucklehead turned in the last one on AC9230

AC9230 STATION RECOVERY (2005)
AC9230
AC9230'RECOVERY NOTE BY FRAME SURVEYING AND MAPPING 2005 (ZZZ)
AC9230'RECOVERED AS DESCRIBED.
AC9230
AC9230 STATION RECOVERY (2014)
AC9230
AC9230'RECOVERY NOTE BY CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY 2014 (DBK)
AC9230'WE LOOKED ALL AROUND THE MARK AND UNDER THE BRIDGE AND COULDN'T FIND
AC9230'JIM FRAME THERE ANYWHERE.

 
Posted : December 4, 2014 6:35 am
(@dave-karoly)
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Fort Bragg (CA):

KT1388 STATION RECOVERY (2004)
KT1388
KT1388'RECOVERY NOTE BY CA DEPT PARKS REC 2004 (DBK)
KT1388'FOUND STATION MARK AND RM 1 IN GOOD CONDITION.
KT1388
KT1388 STATION RECOVERY (2009)
KT1388
KT1388'RECOVERY NOTE BY CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY 2009 (DBK)
KT1388'RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION.

 
Posted : December 4, 2014 6:38 am
(@jim-frame)
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Some knucklehead turned in the last one on AC9230

> AC9230 STATION RECOVERY (2005)
> AC9230
> AC9230'RECOVERY NOTE BY FRAME SURVEYING AND MAPPING 2005 (ZZZ)
> AC9230'RECOVERED AS DESCRIBED.
> AC9230
> AC9230 STATION RECOVERY (2014)
> AC9230
> AC9230'RECOVERY NOTE BY CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY 2014 (DBK)
> AC9230'WE LOOKED ALL AROUND THE MARK AND UNDER THE BRIDGE AND COULDN'T FIND
> AC9230'JIM FRAME THERE ANYWHERE.

So much for my thought that Deb Brown had to approve all mark recoveries before they made it into the IDB. Dave, I thought you were kidding and had doctored the datasheet description just for posting here, but when I pulled up the datasheet just now I saw that this is an actual excerpt. The fact that one can adulterate the IDB that easily is a little disconcerting. Did you make the entry via the online recovery note tool, or via DSWORLD?

HPGN D CA 03 CM is one that I've never visited. I believe Don D'Onofrio entered the 2005 recovery note, and put ZZZ in as the initials with the intent to change it later. It looks like he forgot.

 
Posted : December 4, 2014 7:15 am
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Some knucklehead turned in the last one on AC9230

I did that on the on-line form. I forgot about it until today when I pulled it up. I really didn't think it would make it through like that.

 
Posted : December 4, 2014 7:25 am
(@steve-corley)
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I have started look at the Geocache web site for recovery information. I recently found a BM in a very remote area that I suspected was still in place. I looked at the NGS Web site for recovery and noticed an updated hand held position but no recovery. My first thought was that a Geocacher had been there and updated the position based on ties. I plotted the BM with DSWorld and checked the Geocache recovery. The had pictures of the monument and the surrounding area. They even gave a compass direction and distance in feet and inches to a R/W marker. Since this BM is in a big hole in our GEOID Model, I plan to make the trek up there some day for an OPUS DB Observation.

I find the Geocache web site a useful tool when I am looking for Benchmarks.

 
Posted : December 4, 2014 7:15 pm
(@jim-frame)
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Some knucklehead turned in the last one on AC9230

> HPGN D CA 03 CM is one that I've never visited.

I was wrong about that -- HPGN D CA 03 CM was one of the primary base stations for a 30-odd station height mod project I did for USBR at Folsom Lake in 2005. Don and I did the recon on it together.

 
Posted : December 5, 2014 6:29 pm
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