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Adverse Possession over an easement and against a railroad

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(@nesurveyor)
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...But not just any Railroad...A?ÿ?ÿpublic benefit corporation/authority...The Metropolitan Transportation Authority in NY. The lawyers are going to have a field day with this.

We surveyed an old and very thin piece of property for a re-development project and found that there was an old sidetrack easement through it. Currently the location of the easement runs through two buildings and a parking lot. All of this sits on top of about 15 feet of fill were trucks used to sit under the tracks to get coal. The tracks have been gone for around 60 years and the buildings erected shortly thereafter...but there is no mechanism for release of the easement in the documents.

So after a year or so of negotiations with the MTA they come back and say they want six figures in payment in order to release a 50'x500' easement that hasn't been used in over 60 years and that currently has buildings on it. Currently the lawyers say that adverse possession cannot happen against a?ÿpublic benefit corporation/authority but are looking for other means.?ÿ

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 7:17 am
(@peter-lothian)
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Other means = tell the MTA that the land owners will be happy to pull down the buildings whenever they decide to build a new side track. Probably cheaper in the long run than paying six figures for the easement release.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 8:01 am
(@duane-frymire)
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Interesting, and may be true.?ÿ However, I know of school district case in NY where they lost lands to AP that were deemed held in a proprietary capacity (evidenced by the fact they put them up for sale).?ÿ May be that MTA, like Adirondack Park, constitutionally only holds lands in a sovereign capacity.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 8:13 am
(@john-hamilton)
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I was involved in a case where the US government was encroaching on a railroad. They had hastily put up a fence after 9/11. RR said take it down. They were not willing to budge until it was pointed out that the US government can exercise eminent domain over the RR. Tables turned against the RR who was used to exercising eminent domain over others.?ÿ

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 8:13 am
(@dave-karoly)
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That sounds like the RR could sue the Federal Govt in inverse condemnation.

California has a statute that dates to the 1930s which prohibits AP against the government.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 8:39 am
(@thebionicman)
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I would look at passive abandonment governing statutes. Many States have them. Disuse for the prescriptive period may even eliminate public rights...

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 9:40 am
(@james-fleming)
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Brocho Vƒ??hatzlocho Corp. v. Metropolitan Transportation Authority

From a quick perusal - property integral to its transportation mission is deemed to be held by the MTA in a governmental capacity (and not subject to AP), rather than in a proprietary capacity (subject to AP)

MTA took over the?ÿLong Island Railroad in 1965 and the?ÿNew Haven commuter services, New York Central commuter services, and the Staten Island Railway in 1967.?ÿ?ÿ

IF the building is actually 60 years old, then it was constructed on property of one of the predecessor roadways prior to MTA's creation.?ÿ It would seem (to me at least) an argument could me made that if there was a building on the property at the time the MTA's acquisition then it couldn't be integral to the transportation mission that the Authority was created for as it was unusable for transportation when it the system was acquired.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 10:08 am
(@cee-gee)
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Posted by: Peter Lothian

Other means = tell the MTA that the land owners will be happy to pull down the buildings whenever they decide to build a new side track. Probably cheaper in the long run than paying six figures for the easement release.

I suspect the marketability of the buildings and the site will be nil until this gets more formally resolved. Likewise their title - insurability. Thus likewise their mortgage-ibility.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 10:28 am
(@norman-oklahoma)
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Posted by: NESurveyor

....Currently the lawyers say that adverse possession cannot happen against a?ÿpublic benefit corporation/authority but are looking for other means.?ÿ

The lawyers are right.?ÿ But they will be happy to continue to bill hours until somebody tells them to stop.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 2:48 pm
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Posted by: James Fleming

....IF the building is actually 60 years old, then it was constructed on property of one of the predecessor roadways prior to MTA's creation.?ÿ It would seem (to me at least) an argument could me made that if there was a building on the property at the time the MTA's acquisition then it couldn't be integral to the transportation mission that the Authority was created for as it was unusable for transportation when it the system was acquired.

Possibly it could be proven that the AP matured against the MTA's predessessor before the MTA took possession. If whoever that was could be AP'd against.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 2:54 pm
(@dave-karoly)
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I think AP is barking up the wrong tree. I would look into abandonment through non-use or impossible to use it for its intended purpose, don't remember exactly what its called.

its an easement, not an estate in real property. I have a hunch MTA is over stating its value by a lot.

if the lawyers are worth their fees they should be pursuing those avenues and persuading MTA to accept a lot less.

 
Posted : 12/12/2018 6:03 pm
(@duane-frymire)
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Posted by: James Fleming

Brocho Vƒ??hatzlocho Corp. v. Metropolitan Transportation Authority

From a quick perusal - property integral to its transportation mission is deemed to be held by the MTA in a governmental capacity (and not subject to AP), rather than in a proprietary capacity (subject to AP)

MTA took over the?ÿLong Island Railroad in 1965 and the?ÿNew Haven commuter services, New York Central commuter services, and the Staten Island Railway in 1967.?ÿ?ÿ

IF the building is actually 60 years old, then it was constructed on property of one of the predecessor roadways prior to MTA's creation.?ÿ It would seem (to me at least) an argument could me made that if there was a building on the property at the time the MTA's acquisition then it couldn't be integral to the transportation mission that the Authority was created for as it was unusable for transportation when it the system was acquired.

So, would be hard to argue (given only the facts posted) that the property in question is "integral to its transportation mission".?ÿ Good chance MTA has lost it to AP; should someone want to pay the attorneys fees to prove it (to make the transfer useful).?ÿ Similar law applies to the old RR's.?ÿ Sidetracks and such that were abandoned and not used for many years have been found proprietary and subject to AP, reversion, etc.. depending sometimes on whether purchased through negotiation, taken through condemnation, fee or right of way.

 
Posted : 13/12/2018 4:10 am
(@paul-in-pa)
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Make sure they carefully check the original easement agreement. Typically it is to allow the?ÿRR to control the maintenance of their track. That track is for the use of the estate owner on which that sidetrack easement exists. If the tracks still existed the railroad could not park a loaded RR car there for a third party to unload, it is strictly a limited use easement. The easement exists for the RR use as long as the land owner needs that use.

AP is not an issue as AP is against the landowner, which the RR is not. It is possible for the easement to continue to exist forever and the only thing the RR could ever use it for is for a sidetrack to serve that parcel. They could not sell it for any other use to a third party. I believe the landowner could file a document that it no longer requires a sidetrack and void the easement. I would ask the RR to pay six figures but would accept $1 going in either direction. As a matter of fact I have been involved in several $1 legal transactions over the years and golly I never got or gave the actual dollar.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : 13/12/2018 5:51 am
(@james-fleming)
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"AP is not an issue as AP is against the landowner, which the RR is not."

The established rule is that the maintenance of a fence or structure across an existing right of way which bars its use as such for more than the prescriptive period will terminate the easement by adverse possession ƒ??

?ÿ- Castle Associates v. Schwartz: 63 A.D.2d 481; 407 N.Y.S.2d 717 (1978)?ÿ

 
Posted : 13/12/2018 6:02 am
(@dave-karoly)
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Found this in?ÿ25 Am. Jur. 2d Easements and Licenses?ÿ?? 85. Abandonment:

Under New York law, in order to demonstrate abandonment of an easement, plaintiff must establish both an intention to abandon and also some overt act or failure to act which carries the implication that the owner neither claims nor retains any interest in the easement; it is not enough to demonstrate mere nonuse. Romanoff Equities, Inc. v. United States, 119 Fed. Cl. 76 (2014).

AND

Nonuse alone ordinarily does not result in abandonment, 3 and an easement acquired by grant or reservation cannot be lost by mere nonuse, no matter how long continued. 4 An easement granted for a specific purpose may be deemed abandoned when its owner renders the use of the easement impossible or obstructs it in a manner inconsistent with its further enjoyment. 5

The abandonment of an easement must involve clear, unequivocal, and decisive acts by the owner of the dominant estate showing a present intent to abandon. 6 It is also necessary to prove that the holder of the easement acted voluntarily. 7

 
Posted : 13/12/2018 6:06 am
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