AI Assistant
Notifications
Clear all

1/2 of a Riparian Government Lot

11 Posts
6 Users
0 Reactions
544 Views
guy-townes
(@guy-townes)
Posts: 73
Free
Topic starter
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

Hello,?ÿ

I was wondering if anyone could help me with the proper way to do this and if anyone could site The Manual on this that would also be great.

Description reads as follows: East Half of Lot 4, S.25, T.29, R. 24, 4th P.M.

So, along the north line of this Government Lot is a river (The Mississippi). How is the east half determined? 1) By mid points on the south line of the G.L. and the meander line (running NW-SE) or by offsetting the east line of the G.L. for half of the area.

I want to say that it would be the two mid points, but to complicate matters there are three meander calls that would be within the G.L.?ÿ

?ÿ

Thanks.?ÿ


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 10:18 am
bill93
(@bill93)
Posts: 10006
Member P&R, Founder
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

Is there any indication )such as occupation) of how the parties meant it when the description was first written, or the interpretation of their successors?


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 10:30 am
guy-townes
(@guy-townes)
Posts: 73
Free
Topic starter
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@bill93

Not that I am aware of at this time.


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 10:36 am
guy-townes
(@guy-townes)
Posts: 73
Free
Topic starter
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

It also just dawned on me that another option would be a mean or weighted-mean bearing the east and west lines of the Government Lot?


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 10:55 am
dave-karoly
(@dave-karoly)
Posts: 11990
Free
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

How was this half created? By original patent or a Deed after patent?

If it was by Patent I would be inclined to run a line north from the midpoint of the south line of the Government Lot.

If it was by later Deed, first I would look to evidence of possession which might give a clue how the original parties interpreted the description on the ground or absent that State law may raise a presumption of a split by area.

Good luck.


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 11:21 am

dave-karoly
(@dave-karoly)
Posts: 11990
Free
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

Courts in some States (for example, Kansas) will have a presumption that the description should be interpreted within the context of the PLSS meaning equal areas does not necessarily control. 


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 11:26 am
holy-cow
(@holy-cow)
Posts: 26016
Member P&R, Founder
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

I agree with you.  The only side with any certainty is the south line.  Area would be expected to change over time.


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 11:45 am
dmyhill
(@dmyhill)
Posts: 3088
Member Sustainer
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 
Posted by: @dave-karoly

If it was by Patent I would be inclined to run a line north from the midpoint of the south line of the Government Lot.

With North being the mean of the two sidelines?


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 11:52 am
dave-karoly
(@dave-karoly)
Posts: 11990
Free
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dmyhill

Right, north needs a local basis, so some method to achieve a local north direction such as mean of the bearings or a weighted mean.


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 12:06 pm
guy-townes
(@guy-townes)
Posts: 73
Free
Topic starter
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@dave-karoly

It was patented as the whole Government Lot. Just for arguments sake, what would be anyone's opinion if it were a G.L. in the north tier of a township? What if it was half of a 1/4,1/4 of a normal section? Thanks!?ÿ


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 2:19 pm

jerry-davis
(@jerry-davis)
Posts: 1
Free
Translate ▼
English
Spanish
French
German
Italian
Portuguese
Russian
Chinese
Japanese
Korean
Arabic
Hindi
Dutch
Polish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Thai
Swedish
Danish
Finnish
Norwegian
Czech
Hungarian
Romanian
Greek
Hebrew
Indonesian
Malay
Ukrainian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Slovak
Slovenian
Serbian
Lithuanian
Latvian
Estonian
 

@guy-townes

You wonƒ??t find a citation in the Manual for dividing a Lot by aliquot methods. ?ÿIn the PLSS, by definition Lots are irregular parcels which cannot be described by aliquot descriptions (1/2, 1/4, etc).

1/2 of a regular quarter section would be determined by connecting the opposing mid-points.

Since a 1/2 of a Lot is an invalid description in the PLSS you would need to look at the evidence on the ground or in the creating document(s) to ascertain the intended location of the dividing line, as previous posters mention.

Goid luck!


 
Posted : December 9, 2019 9:49 pm