Aloha, after repeated attempt to connect to my 5603 via Parani SD1000, I think it is time to move on:-(
Tried everything that I knew and input shared by several of us here on the forum. Spoke to their tech support. They wanted me to connect the SD1000 to two different PCs. We use Mac...had to take them to local computer store to verify. Local PC store verified the Paranis are working ($45.00 for that!!)
Any last thoughts from Parani experts here? Otherwise, hoping I can return them to seller since it is still within 30 days.
I tried connecting from Survey Pro (version 5.1) and also from Survey Controller 11.20. My sense is the culprit is some setting on my DC site.
Mahalo!
Aloha,
Did you try setting up with the DC plugged into the TS via the 9-pin cable. With everything set up and working. Then unplug the DC, plug one SD1000 to the cable the other to the DC?
Scott McLain
> Aloha,
>
> Did you try setting up with the DC plugged into the TS via the 9-pin cable. With everything set up and working. Then unplug the DC, plug one SD1000 to the cable the other to the DC?
>
> Scott McLain
Aloha, Scott: Yes I did that. Took couple shots then unhooked it. Connected the SDs, DC shows "no communication with gun"
Did another test too. Got gun to communicate with the goeradio as it would normally then installed on SD on the radio and another on the DC. Left the radio at the gun. No luck with that either...:-(
Try setting the data collector on Manuel setting as if our connect directly to the instrument. Also you might need a null modem adapter at one end .
> Try setting the data collector on Manuel setting as if our connect directly to the instrument. Also you might need a null modem adapter at one end .
Aloha, DJames:
In the SurveyPro Instrument setting there a manual setup option. I never explored it. Will look into it later today. Is null modem adapter same as male to male connector or it is different?
Thanks!
Null Modem Adaptor
A null modem adaptor is a com to com cable with two pins cross wired. This tells the computer that it is talking to another computer, so expect cross talk i.e. handshaking. A normal com cable sends data only one way.
Most instrument to computer and instrument to data collector cables are null modem even though they are typically 9 pin to 4 pin.
A 2 way data cable only uses 4 wires/pins. The typical 9 pin com connection or 5 pin Hirose were used because they were the smallest available for years.
Today a 4 pin USB connection can do that including sending power. A typical USB port has a power limitation, therefore my external hard drive has 2 USB plugs to be used to get enough power.
A gender changer adaptor is not a null modem unless it says so. Some 9 pin com to com cables are null modem but do not say so. When you buy an unmarked null modem cable it is best to permanently mark it immediately.
If you use a Parani at the instrument and a Parani at the data collector, only one connection should be null modem. If you have a null modem connection at each end, the cross wiring is canceled out and it is a straight data link only.
Paul in PA
Null Modem Adaptor
> A null modem adaptor is a com to com cable with two pins cross wired. This tells the computer that it is talking to another computer, so expect cross talk i.e. handshaking. A normal com cable sends data only one way.
>
> Most instrument to computer and instrument to data collector cables are null modem even though they are typically 9 pin to 4 pin.
>
> A 2 way data cable only uses 4 wires/pins. The typical 9 pin com connection or 5 pin Hirose were used because they were the smallest available for years.
>
> Today a 4 pin USB connection can do that including sending power. A typical USB port has a power limitation, therefore my external hard drive has 2 USB plugs to be used to get enough power.
>
> A gender changer adaptor is not a null modem unless it says so. Some 9 pin com to com cables are null modem but do not say so. When you buy an unmarked null modem cable it is best to permanently mark it immediately.
>
> If you use a Parani at the instrument and a Parani at the data collector, only one connection should be null modem. If you have a null modem connection at each end, the cross wiring is canceled out and it is a straight data link only.
>
> Paul in PA
Aloha, Paul: I think that could be the issue! I've been using gender changer that does not say it is a null modem. It says it is "serial coupler," "male to male." It has 9 pins.
I ordered a "null modem connector." Will label it right away as soon as it arrives.
To make the Paranis work I need one coupler for the instrument to parani. Right the both are female ends.
Thanks
Null Modem Adaptor
You can test it with a null modem cable, however you would not want that cable in the way, day in and day out.
Paul in PA
Parani SD1000 WORKS with Trimble 5603
> You can test it with a null modem cable, however you would not want that cable in the way, day in and day out.
>
> Paul in PA
Aloha, Paul: Null Modem's absent was the culprit!! You gave the final touch to make it to work after couple weeks of frustrating attempts. Changed the standard male to male adaptor to Null modem adaptor and it works!:party:
No other settings were required to be changed from my standard robotic setup in the dc.
1. Hooked up the dc directly to the gun. Got the level bubble. Let sit for 30 seconds or so after it leveled.
2. Unhooked the dc cable and connected the two Paranis
3. Turned on the Parani at the gun first then at the dc
4. The remote is working as if nothing happened!:-D
Next is to take it out in the field and determine what is maximum distant I can get.
Thanks to Scott, Curtis and few others on the forum for answering many of my questions during the initial setup:good:
> Try setting the data collector on Manuel setting as if our connect directly to the instrument. Also you might need a null modem adapter at one end .
Aloha, Djames: Null modem adaptor was the missing piece in the puzzle. I hand non null modem connector. It works like a charm!
Thanks!:good:
Parani SD1000 WORKS with Trimble 5603
I'm really glad you got it working. Keep us posted, I've been thinking of trying out the Parini with my Geodimeter 600.
Parani SD1000 WORKS with Trimble 5603
> I'm really glad you got it working. Keep us posted, I've been thinking of trying out the Parini with my Geodimeter 600.
Aloha, TPR:
Looks like it will work with GDM 600. I will do the test in the next couple days and report back.
Parani SD1000 WORKS with Trimble 5603
:good: :good: :good: :good:
I'm interested in this setup, too. Keep us posted on the range.
So glad you made it work!
Getting off topic ... but ...
Could you run this with a "non-robotic" 5600? Like the servo driven models that don't have onboard radios?
Getting off topic ... but ...
> Could you run this with a "non-robotic" 5600? Like the servo driven models that don't have onboard radios?
I would think Yes. The parani replaces the cable, so it would be like having a 500'+ cable to the instrument.
Range On A Parani
To increase your range there is a longer antenna. If I recall the normal antenna is 1", the longer one 3". I do not have that unit handy at this time.
Paul in PA
Range On A Parani
> To increase your range there is a longer antenna. If I recall the normal antenna is 1", the longer one 3". I do not have that unit handy at this time.
>
> Paul in PA
Aloha, Paul:
Below is the information that I think either you or Scott posted a while ago...
I purchased two DAT5-G01R which should give me 400 meters--the range that I normally work. Hoping I'll get a window to do a field test soon...
- Working distance (in open field)
SAT-G01R - SAT-G01R 100 meters
SAT-G01R - DAT-G01R 150 meters
DAT-G01R - DAT-G01R 200 meters
DAT-G01R - DAT5-G01R 300 meters
DAT-G01R - PAT-G01R 500 meters
DAT5-G01R - DAT5-G01R 400 meters
DAT5-G01R - PAT-G01R 600 meters
PAT-G01R - PAT-G01R 1,000 meters
[Antennas]
SAT-G01R: +1dBi Stub Antenna
DAT-G01R: +3dBi Dipole Antenna
DAT5-G01R: +5dBi Dipole Antenna
PAT-G01R: +9dBi Patch Antenna
Parani SD1000 WORKS with Trimble 5603
Aloha,
So glad to hear you got it working. I should have thought to ask about the Null modem adapter. Mine came with one, so I never gave it any thought. One of my SD100 just started acting up after 3 years of service, so I am going to try the SD1000 tomorrow. Excited to see an improved range. Will let you all know.
Getting off topic ... but ...
The answer is yes. I used do it this way when I used my son in the summers . I would run the data collector from the rod with a standard topcon . All he had to do was point and aim . I would control the data collector . I called it a poor mans robot. Works great..
Parani SD1000 WORKS with Trimble 5603
> Aloha,
>
> So glad to hear you got it working. I should have thought to ask about the Null modem adapter. Mine came with one, so I never gave it any thought. One of my SD100 just started acting up after 3 years of service, so I am going to try the SD1000 tomorrow. Excited to see an improved range. Will let you all know.
Aloha, Scott:
Without your initial help I'd be totally in the dark! Only after Paul mentioned it know that Null modem and male to male adaptor are two different gizmos. Now it is my turn to help others if they want to explore the Paranis!
Which antennas are you using with your SD1000?
