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(@lugeyser)
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🙁 I thought the null modem would solve my connection issue problems with Windows 7 and my Ranger 200c data collector. So far, no such luck. It does not seem to recognize the device.

On an older cpu with windows xp and a serial port using survey link it downloads just fine. Not sure what the problem is...I am getting frustrated. It is not showing up on sync center.

I might have to take Jimmy C up on his advice and call the guys at Hayes to see if they have an answer for my problem.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:10 pm
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I connect my ranger X with a 9 pin null modem cable..
running windows 7

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:18 pm
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Lugeyser
I'm assuming you are using a serial/USB adaptor along with your null modem. That is the setup that I use to download a TSC1 into a win7 environment. I use a Tripplite serial/usb. Have you checked to see what com port your adaptor is running on and then set that com port in your software?

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:22 pm
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Joe,

I hear you...but could you be more specific in how you go about it. I'm using windows 7 for the first time. I have a Null modem gender changer put on the end of a db9 male serial - usb 2.0 cable.

(USB goes into CPU b/c it doesn't have serial ports anymore. The cable is called a HL 340. I believe this is the same cable that they sell on the Hayes Website.

I plug all this into my data collectr/cpu and thought it would recognize the partnership.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:23 pm
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I haven't had any luck getting Windows 7 to recognize the first generation Ranger through ActiveSync (or whatever they call it now). It seems like it has to have a partnership which wasn't required before.

I have no problem with XP of course so I usually just download it to my XP laptop then transfer the files to the network.

John is right though, you need to figure out which COM your USB to serial converter is. Mine is COM4 on some computers and COM5 other others.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:26 pm
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I have never been a tech guru, but I feel pathetically over matched.

The cpu is recognizing the usb cable is plugged in, but nothing beyond that. How do I see what port the serial converter is using?

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:34 pm
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trial and error.

Usually software such as active sync that uses the serial port has a drop down where you can select the COM port. For example, COM3 is already assigned to some unknown thing on my computers but the second one (COM4 or sometimes COM5) is the next in the list. I use the next in the list one.

The software will make a list of the available COM ports; generally you would use the highest number on the list.

The other thing I have found with serial converters is that they need to be plugged into the same USB port every time or the computer will install the drivers for the new USB port and assign the next higher COM port number.

There is some way to find out in the hardware manager too but I couldn't tell you how to do it. I have to refigure it out every time.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:43 pm
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Lugeyser
Go to control Panel then hardware and sound then devices and printer then click on your serial adaptor. You need to have the adaptor plugged in for it to show. Go to harware tab then properties button thenchange settings button thenport settings tab. Make sure all settings are correct here then continue to addvanced button and finally to choose com port.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:56 pm
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Maybe you need these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-USB-2-0-SERIAL-RS232-DB9-9-PIN-ADAPTER-CABLE-PDA-/300552907072?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fa596940

I used to use one of these (and null modem cable, I think) with a husky and XP

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 4:58 pm
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I use one of these...

I attach to serial port on d.c to serial port on the back of p.c.

I then use topcon link to transfer files.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 5:06 pm
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looks like a few of the settings probably need to be changed baud rates and stuff. Other than that the Ranger only gives me the options of sending info via com 1 and com 2. THe CPU is telling me that the thing is plugged into com 3 and that's the first usb port number available. After that it goes to com 4 and so on.

Com 1 must be set up for some other type of port (not usb?)

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 5:07 pm
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com ports can be frustrating. Try shutting everything down then power back up with the serial adaptor plugged in. It might force it to com 1 or 2.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 5:16 pm
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Have you tried downloading Windows Mobile Device Manager (which is like Activesync) to see if your computer will pick up the Ranger connection? I have a Ranger 200C that I connect to Windows 7, but I use that USB device that Hayes Instruments sells rather than a Null Modem Cable & USB to Serial device.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 5:18 pm
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I use a null modem adapter and a gender changer to connect the USB to Serial cable to the Ranger.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 5:18 pm
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I wish I could help. I had the same problem with Vista when I started using it. I will be in the office early tomorrow morning (6:30 am cst). If you want to drop me a quick line.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 5:37 pm
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It seems Windows mobile device manager is not available on anything other than a vista computer. Windows 7 has sync center?

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 5:52 pm
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It says here that Windows Mobile Device Center is for Windows 7, and has a couple of download links.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931937

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 6:28 pm
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This is from a past post by Scott Partridge: Finally, to connect to remote devices such as a TSC2 or a receiver that normally would have been done using ActiveSync, you will need to download and install Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 for Vista (either the 32 bit or 64 bit version depending upon your hardware) from the Microsoft Download Center.

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 6:45 pm
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I downloaded Windows Mobile Device center but I still can't connect to the first generation Ranger I have with Windows 7. XP works fine.

AARRRRRGH why do they break things that used to work, no weird fixes or hunting through multiple levels of tabs and menus?

 
Posted : December 2, 2011 7:29 pm
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When you say "first generation ranger", do you mean the "At Work Computers" version? We have one of those as a back-up, and the last working download we have for it is a WinXP computer using TDS survey link. From what I remember, Active Sync 3.0 and beyond do not work with that version of Windows CE (or whatever they called it back then), and the lower versions of Active Sync won't install on WinXP or higher...

 
Posted : December 3, 2011 4:12 am
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