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 rfc
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Forgive me if this is off the scale of dumb questions, but I've looked at every menu on the DC and can't find the setting to measure ONLY angles (V and H). No distance.
With my field book it was easy. Just press the angle button and voila. Angles.
Any ideas?

 
Posted : April 10, 2015 1:21 pm
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> Forgive me if this is off the scale of dumb questions, but I've looked at every menu on the DC and can't find the setting to measure ONLY angles (V and H). No distance.
> With my field book it was easy. Just press the angle button and voila. Angles.
> Any ideas?

The real question, I suppose, is, "Why?"

I just looked at the desktop demo version for V4, and it appears that there is an Angle Reading tab that will do angle only for you. It is found in the Store routine, under the Offset options.

 
Posted : April 10, 2015 2:38 pm
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> The real question, I suppose, is, "Why?"
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Polaris. It's kinda far away for my EDM.:-D

 
Posted : April 10, 2015 3:43 pm
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At 434 light years away, it would take awhile to get that reflectorless shot.

 
Posted : April 10, 2015 5:25 pm
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Ahhh, Polaris.

Let me know how the angle only thing works. I see that it is there, but didn't fire the gun with it.

It calls for a point number, but it looks like it only writes to raw data, which makes sense.

 
Posted : April 10, 2015 7:29 pm
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> I just looked at the desktop demo version for V4, and it appears that there is an Angle Reading tab that will do angle only for you. It is found in the Store routine, under the Offset options.

At the bottom left of the "2 point" tab in the "offset" screen is a "read angle" button, and pressing it does seem to read the angle without the distance. But I can't get past "store" because it looks like it wants the NEZ of two points.

Here are the instructions:

I've read it a dozen times and can't figure it out. Is the vector measured relative to a line drawn between P1 and P2? Then I could consider P1 and P2 in line, then the vector to Polaris would be the angle.

I think I'm getting close. Any ideas?

 
Posted : April 11, 2015 2:46 am
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Well, I know it's possible

I connected up another DC running Magnet Field with the Topcon Gun. I created a mode in the Classes directory that is "no dist"; just shoots angles. So I know I can make the gun NOT fire the EDM using that. But it doesn't record time as SurvCE does (unless that's somewhere I can't find).

So now it's just a matter of figuring out how to do it in SurvCE.

 
Posted : April 11, 2015 9:28 am
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Hmmm, what version of SurvCE are you running?

I was just looking at the desktop demo version, which is v4.01 I think.

I am curious about this. I will have to look at an actual DC.

 
Posted : April 11, 2015 1:29 pm
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> Forgive me if this is off the scale of dumb questions, but I've looked at every menu on the DC and can't find the setting to measure ONLY angles (V and H). No distance.

I'm fairly certain you can accomplish this with the [msg=309261]Advanced Backsight[/msg] functionality. Within the Add Target functionality of Advanced Backsight, I believe you can suppress the use of known coordinates and also configure if the routine should collect H/V angles and/or a distance.

 
Posted : April 12, 2015 5:01 pm
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> I'm fairly certain you can accomplish this with the [msg=309261]Advanced Backsight[/msg] functionality. Within the Add Target functionality of Advanced Backsight, I believe you can suppress the use of known coordinates and also configure if the routine should collect H/V angles and/or a distance.

Thanks for the reply. You got me all excited that I could do it until I realized my version is older than 2.5 (I think it's 2.4).+o(
Looking for that option in "Configure", though, I found "Show continuous Total Station Angles"...Is that a possibility?

I know it's possible with the instrument (I've done it with Magnet Field). And it does it in SurvCE for the Backsight...no distance there if you choose "Azimuth". I'll keep hunting.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 1:38 am
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First. "Why"

I frequently turn angles to locate views. "Begin Water View", "End Water View", "Peter Is.", "Buck Is. Light", "Sage Mount.". People spend good money for views and they like to know where it is. I had one customer who wanted his house designed so he could sit in the chair HERE and see THAT ISLAND out THAT WINDOW. I bet he had a good experience on that island sometime.

Occasionally I locate a sight for a future backsight.

Occasionally I locate something too far away for my old total station to get reflectorless so I triangulate.

"How with SurveCE"?

Turn on the reflectorless and hold your hand in front of the scope. You record the angle in the raw file and a point about a foot away to draw a CAD solution.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 3:41 am
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> Forgive me if this is off the scale of dumb questions, but I've looked at every menu on the DC and can't find the setting to measure ONLY angles (V and H). No distance.
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> I'm fairly certain you can accomplish this with the [msg=309261]Advanced Backsight[/msg] functionality. Within the Add Target functionality of Advanced Backsight, I believe you can suppress the use of known coordinates and also configure if the routine should collect H/V angles and/or a distance.

When you click, "Store Points" in the Survey Tab, generally, a setup screen will appear, with one of the buttons at the bottom being "Backsight"

If you click that, the next screen will have multiple buttons at the bottom, one of which is "Check Angle". I think that this is the case for every version of SurvCE that I have every used.

The ability to access angle only readings in the Offset screen appears to be a functionality new to V4.

Here is the screenshot for the offset option screens in V4 (Desktop demo).

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 6:50 am
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> First. "Why"
>
> I frequently turn angles to locate views. "Begin Water View", "End Water View", "Peter Is.", "Buck Is. Light", "Sage Mount.". People spend good money for views and they like to know where it is. I had one customer who wanted his house designed so he could sit in the chair HERE and see THAT ISLAND out THAT WINDOW. I bet he had a good experience on that island sometime.
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> Occasionally I locate a sight for a future backsight.
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> Occasionally I locate something too far away for my old total station to get reflectorless so I triangulate.
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> "How with SurveCE"?
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> Turn on the reflectorless and hold your hand in front of the scope. You record the angle in the raw file and a point about a foot away to draw a CAD solution.

St. John was my old stomping ground! drove sailboat charters all over that place many moons ago.:-D Is Foxy's still across the way there on Jost?

I don't have reflector-less. Just a conventional gun. But you gave me an idea. Perhaps if I hold a reflector atop a stick so that it eclipses half the viewfinder horizontally, I'd be able to shoot the star, and the EDM would get enough reflection (at about two feet) to work as a simple sideshow record.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 8:04 am
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St. John was my old stomping ground! drove sailboat charters all over that place many moons ago. Is Foxy's still across the way there on Jost?

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Foxy's is still there, but Foxy himself isn't there that much. He has almost completely lost his voice and has other medical issues, I think. His wife, Tessa and kids run the place. Jost Van Dyke now has street lights, city water, paved roads - not the road along the beach past Foxy's - that's still sand. Soggy Dollar Bar in White Bay around the corner is the happening place on JVD these days. Hundreds of tourists every day. Small cruise ships anchor off there and off Great Harbor and send in hundreds. Foxy's will seat about 200 for lunch, I think. They have a boutique for Foxy's clothes. I might go there once a year.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 11:42 am
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> Foxy's is still there, but Foxy himself isn't there that much. He has almost completely lost his voice and has other medical issues, I think. His wife, Tessa and kids run the place. Jost Van Dyke now has street lights, city water, paved roads - not the road along the beach past Foxy's - that's still sand. Soggy Dollar Bar in White Bay around the corner is the happening place on JVD these days. Hundreds of tourists every day. Small cruise ships anchor off there and off Great Harbor and send in hundreds. Foxy's will seat about 200 for lunch, I think. They have a boutique for Foxy's clothes. I might go there once a year.

OMG!! I'm not sure I'd want to go back now! We used to hang out with him (and pal around with Torlof Smedvig too)...in those days, the place was quiet...nothing but pristine quiet sailing. How's Caneel Bay nowadays...that can't be overrun. We spent a lot of time there...taking guests sailing and snorkeling. What a life.

I better stop hijacking my own thread:-D

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 12:24 pm
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Hey, this place is still georgeous. I should post pictures. And a lot of the island is still quiet and peaceful, just not everywhere anymore.

 
Posted : April 13, 2015 1:23 pm