are you taking the fourth shot the fourth shot closes the polygon if you'll stop at the third shot you only get a triangle capiche?
@jitterboogie yes same set of data on 8 different rectangle fences and concrete pads in TBC it does exactly what i want same codes in civil 3d it does a triangle and ignores the third shot. I am going to try it without doing the conversion to fbk and see if it is doing something goofy. As we all know surveyors hate change and what worked in 2011 doesn’t work now so maybe its they have not caught up. They just do the grips thing and go fix all of this mess. So they are use to it me i am a to focused on why it’s not working so we don’t have to keep fixing all the time
sounds like a description key for a point description key file I'm not sure I've never used field book files I've only used csvs and databases.
remember I'm about as green as a 6-month-old poplar
@jitterboogie gotcha. Yes this fbk file is killing me. Point is nothing but a symbol showing up and this stuff is crazy crazy lol. I am pulling my hair out. Lol.
I do know it strips the cls and all of the code off in that fbk conversion.
Yeah, give it a shot with just the CSV import and see how it goes.
I've never encountered what you're describing, but also have never imported an FBK file (other than to double check that it sucks compared to importing a CSV).
Don't worry about the end of line "E" linework code too much, because the next time you use the "B" to start a new line of the same code, the old line is automatically ended. For example, the field descriptor sequence
EP B, EP, EP, EP E, EP B EP EP EP E (EP being your code/descriptor key for edge of pavement)
will draw two separate lines, exactly the same as
EP B, EP, EP, EP, EP B, EP, EP, EP
will. If you wish to draw these lines as closed figures you would code them
EP B, EP, EP, EP CLS, EP B, EP, EP, EP CLS
Keep in mind that the Linework Code Set, ie/ the commands you use to start and stop lines, draw curves, close of figures, etc. is fully customizable. If you want to use "+7" to start a line and "-7" to end it - or anything else - you can fix it to work that way.
@norman-oklahoma yeah it all no matter the software is about the same. I did finally get it all to work without that darn fbk file. I brought the data into a new drawing by points in csv from tbc same data into the survey database thing and now it all works like tbc did it. Thank you.
Thank you all you edumacated me enough to ask the right questions from a cad guy and he helped a little on there settings. The problem is i get so frustrated as in 5 minutes in tbc it takes me to get to the same point In Civil 3d like midnight oil reading and such. I appreciate you all. This site is awesome.
@norman-oklahoma does a space between two codes allow for double coding. So edge of conc and gravel road connecting in on shot or multiple overhead lines. Last time i did that at another company they got mad so the just wanted 2 or 3 or 4 shots a tenth apart all the time. I was like really i was doing this crap in the 90’s and from 2000-2005 drafting in field all ober the world.
@norman-oklahoma does a space between two codes allow for double coding. So edge of conc and gravel road connecting in on shot or multiple overhead lines. Last time i did that at another company they got mad so the just wanted 2 or 3 or 4 shots a tenth apart all the time. I was like really i was doing this crap in the 90’s and from 2000-2005 drafting in field all ober the world.
Yes, we run multiple lines a lot within the same description.
Such as SMH SL4 B SL1 B SL2 B SL3 B
... does a space between two codes allow for double coding. So edge of conc and gravel road connecting in on shot or multiple overhead lines.
It does. You can double code a shot. And presuming that the descriptor keys are set up with a wild card, you can run more than one line of a certain code at a time. Envision a case where you are running 2 sides of a sidewalk (SW)
SW B, SW1 B, SW1, SW, SW1, SW, ...
and you come to an asphalt driveway (DW) that intersects the back of walk.
.... SW DW B, DW E, SW1, SW1, SW, .....
now, as you continue along the walk, you come to the other side of the driveway
.... SW DW B, DW E, SW1, SW 1, SW, ......
Last time i did that at another company they got mad so the just wanted 2 or 3 or 4 shots a tenth apart all the time.
LOL. I'd have a hard time not walking out the door right then and there.
Who looks at a crappy, less efficient workflow that is more prone to error and says "Yeah, I want more of that right there."?
(...Surveyors. The answer is surveyors.)
@rover83 Look it blows me away that people still don’t have a f2f mindset. I cannot believe how much connecting the dots that goes on in the year 2023. I remember in the 90’s being fussed at on how many coding errors from typos os just locating something in the wrong order would be. My ex was a drafter and a darn good one. And i would be in trouble if it was my fault on code errors. I stopped doing the whole 3 shots in like 94 when we stopped doing wildsoft. After that everything was double triple coded with one shot. Craziness to do it any other way. I understand missing something and then coming back to get a shot back in the no map screen days. But now the data collector can do anything just about the office software can do. As far as linework.
Last time i did that at another company they got mad so the just wanted 2 or 3 or 4 shots a tenth apart all the time.
LOL. I'd have a hard time not walking out the door right then and there.
Who looks at a crappy, less efficient workflow that is more prone to error and says "Yeah, I want more cowbell...."?
(...Surveyors. The answer is surveyors.)
@norman-oklahoma thats the kind of stuff i am use to right there. Thats how i have done it in the past exactly. One shot on a power pole that has lines going in 3 directions. Pp oe1 b oe2 oe3 then power pole number etc all in one string.
There's a problem when the industry standard for survey-CAD has a raw data processing/import routine that some are referring to it as, " antiquated monkey business that nobody uses anymore", and are bypassing it in favor of 3rd party software
Makes me like my Carlson Survey even more
I wasn't really referring to Civil 3D, I was talking about the fieldbook file format. File formats have come and gone over the years and it's pretty normal as technology advances, so I don't think there's anything necessarily ominous about the fieldbook format falling to the wayside. In fact, I completely missed the boat on that file format and have never actually used it myself. I've worked with others who have though and what I tend to hear about it is that it was sometimes buggy, unreliable, or otherwise difficult to work with.
I would bet Carlson's file formats have approached obsolescence over the years, but they probably just update it rather than invent a new one.
Last time i did that at another company they got mad so the just wanted 2 or 3 or 4 shots a tenth apart all the time.
Survey figures do a nice job of punishing this behavior.
@bstrand yeah I learned a few hard lessons on survey figures features today’s. I can still remember some old cad commands and i was trying to fillet and arc between a gravel road and asphalt edge of pavement. Uhmm i had to cheat. Draw line on top of a line from both sides flatten it then fillet. Also trying to do some other commands like smooth a curve yep finally figured out that those things have their very own commands. I am sure they are powerful but for a plane jane 2d map for a boundary and easements was kicking my rump today. I will have to learn how to convert them to something i can use or learn how to work with them. The other simple thing that drove me nuts was trying to remember the circle best fit from 3 points. Finally found the icon. I guess civil3d has cad commands and civil 3d commands. So smooth a feature is different than smooth a line same thing happens just different command. What little hair i have left will be gone by Friday. I need a network to adjust or some comps to do.
Yeah survey figures have their own little set of cad tools. I kinda wish I knew them better, but I also wish I could just build the surface from the points and slap some 3D polylines in there to make everything pretty.
@bstrand one of our cad people said they convert all figures or whatever to 3d poly lines and build surface. I have not built a surface but once in civil 3d and most of everything was already done. I have built surfaces in Trimble business center on several jobs. I am still getting use to both on all of this. I really like tbc contours on some of the jobs i have done. I did one job and it truly was great as I brought in other points not used as a check. The same data set in civil 3d was not wrong but not as smooth. I didn’t create it in civil it was another person. But tbc is designed for surface building for machine control and such. A little different animal as that dozer blade reacts to mess ups from a poor surface. Thats a discipline right in its own prepping data for machine control. Some of those who do it often just can see the problem areas right off. Fairly amazing. Now i have to finish putting these darn puzzles together. 3 deeds that don’t close on themselves . And a lease easement cutting through the middle of several parcels i am trying to get right. One deed is so tough to draw easy to follow on ground but not in cad for me yet. SoutwRdly 30 ft and radially 1000 plus feet from a post thence westerly along railroad to sId tract not a bearing anywhere. But i know i have most if the pipes just haven’t figured out how to make cad follow a railroad that is no longer there an. Old spur line. I did find a few places i topo that i could kinda see the old bed but fill dirt has come in many years ago. On the ground it’s much easier than on the screen. Thank goodness i we t to the field on this one and read the deed as I searched. Need to let my kids put this puzzle together lol.
I used/processed the fbk back when I was using Softdesk/LDD. It was fine. I even preferred the cleaner look to it vs the rw5, which Carlson uses for processing.
But at this point, it's been two decades, so I've no idea what's changed with the fbk. But I had no issues with it back then