Carlson Survey - COGO

Try the "Mapcheck" feature.

Visual COGO in Carlson is pretty stinking simple.

I use the keyboard entry, though.

Also, it sounds like the way the manual reads is making it sound more complicated than it is. Basically you hit: I, enter. Then follow the prompts. After a week muscle memory makes it very fast.

I do most of my DD, BD, BB calcs with polylines nowadays. I do wish it was more trackable though. I usually write a quick note in the CAD fil explaining what I did.

Edit: actually you are not correct. There is keyboard entry, or visual cogo, or the cogo options in the C&G pull-down menu.

> I'm reading through the Carlson Survey manual (don't have the actual program yet - but it's coming)and I don't think I can find a simple COGO routine as in Microsurvey.
> If I'm correct there is only the Traverse Routine.
> Microsurvey has a basic COGO routine that doesn't ask for backsights and foresights etc.
> Just enter a point number and start typing. Bearing Distance Point No Code and on again.
> It also has a neat Batch COGO that records the routine to be edited and replayed. Very quick and lean.
> I do a lot of Cadastral surveys and input all the relevant old surveys from the original survey notes and can calculate and adjust the originals very easy using COGO in Mscad.
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> Does Carlson have a similar routine please. And one that is recorded for editing or reusing in other jobs.
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> Richard

As Adam said, visualcogo is as idiot proof as it gets. Just out of curiosity if you're happy with Microsurvey, why are you going to Carlson? I thought Mcrosurvey had embedded an CAD engine (if cad is the issue).

Ralph

You can also write your own Raw files based off the old field notes and then run adjustments on them. That sounds more like what you need.

MicroSurvey has a very useful "input scale factor" option. A simple feature that I haven't found in Carlson.

Example: A user can input ground bearings and distances to UTM grid on the fly by simple COGO. Using the Carlson software, I believe a user needs to do the work in a given system (ground coordinates in this example) and then adjust coordinates to the other system (UTM in this example).

The output scale factors are basically the same in both programs.

May want to take a look at "Enter Deed Description" under the "Survey" menu. I use it when I want to quickly enter a record boundary.

The C&G menu should be loaded with intuitive COGO tools, if it still exists in Carlson.

Carlson Asks For Backsight, Just Say "None"

You use the traverse/sideshot routine to also enter a deed, or choose to enter coordinates or pick points from the screen.

For a deed after entering the first point I usually use only the traverse routine, for a file map I use many of the routines.

Paul in PA

:good:

Coming from C&G, we still use more of the C&G functions than we do Carlson.

Under the drop down tab “CG-Survey” you should see another drop down “Traverse” under that you will find “Quick Traverse” and also see edit map check file (CGEditor) and “Reduce Map Check File”. Either should accomplish what you need. These are old C&G programs from where C&G was merged into Carlson. When we want to put in old deed and plats we use the CGEditor / Mapcheck routine to enter the calls then use the “Reduce Map Check File” to reduce it. This gives us a raw editable file.

> MicroSurvey has a very useful "input scale factor" option. A simple feature that I haven't found in Carlson.
>
> Example: A user can input ground bearings and distances to UTM grid on the fly by simple COGO. Using the Carlson software, I believe a user needs to do the work in a given system (ground coordinates in this example) and then adjust coordinates to the other system (UTM in this example).
>
> The output scale factors are basically the same in both programs.

The C&G part of Carlson lets you do the same thing. Under the CGTools then Options pull down you set the scale factor. When I input a deed with distances in poles I use 16.5 as the input scale factor.

If I have a project set up in feet and the client wants output in meters, I can use the output scale factor to automatically changes things for me.

Larry P

> Edit: actually you are not correct. There is keyboard entry, or visual cogo, or the cogo options in the C&G pull-down menu.

Adam has it right. I use the C&G Mapcheck feature to input deed data. I then save those files for potential later use. Many times I have been able to go back and reuse these files with great value.

You can also use the Input Scale factor to convert units in the deed to the units you want output.

Larry P

Thank you very much for this information. This a very common procedure by land surveyors, I just did not know where to find it. I am on the construction side of things, Carlson Civil Suite is what I use, never bothered exploring C&G module, that was there all along...

There are at least 4 ways to do what you want to do, as you want to do it. Under SURVEY is "Enter Deed Description". Under COGO you will find "Traverse", "Locate by Bearing-Angle" and "Line by Angle-Distance". Just depends on which one you like the best.

Thanks for listing these options.

Here's an example of what I am trying to do: A line from A to B at ground is 1000 feet at ground level. Bearing is N45E. I want to cogo the ground data to the grid. Calc from A to B by using an input scale factor of 0.99967, making the segment length 999.67 feet, and having the CRD file points matching.

I don't see where a guy can input that scale factor (of 0.99967 in this example) in these routines that you listed. I see "apply rotation" but I don't see "apply scale factor".

The C&G module does have the option of input scale factor and output scale factor under C&G options. In Carlson Survey, I cannot find it, It must be in a setting somewhere. :'(

Ralph MScad is not Aussie friendly. Sure we can setup ENZ as opposed to NEZ and Bearings as we know them (25°25'36") but after that much of it is accented to the American system.
One just can't make a truly Aussie conventioned configuration.
Whilst theres an obvious and very marked difference between east and north coords it is still annoying to change to another dialogue box and we get NE. Cutting and pasting coords means reversing the order.... I could add more in other areas, but that's not what this about.

Also the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing when it comes to file locations. It jumps about to some last known place and worse at times it just reverts to the "C" drive when searching things and leaves us to navigate to the correct place wherever that may be.

The Cad side! I actually bought BricsCad as I was not finding MsCad much help despite it being IntelliCad driven. Yes there are a fair amount of Cad options specifically tailored for Survey, but reading Carlson that is far more influenced in that area than MsCad.
All plan work is done in BricsCad.

I'm not looking for perfection, but that file system being so disjointed is a constant pain and am told by rep here should not happen in Carlson.
Hope its not Rep Hype!

So it probably will make or break this as my COGO in MsCad is really neat (That's one area specifically where finding those files is more likely start from scratch at it takes you to "C" drive)

I'll read up on the CG side and see how I go.

One thing I really did warm to was the lack of a dongle. That is so special when as lone operator one has to remember 'The Dongle' when rushing out to a job and grab the laptop and Oh!! No Dongle!

I really appreciate the many responses. Big Thanks

Thanks Richard,
I don't think you'll be disappointed by Carlson. It's pretty intuitive, the learning curve curve is relatively flat and their customer support is one of the best in the industry.

Good Luck,
Ralph

Where is the C&G menue? I am running Carlson Survey Standalone 2008. I don't see that option.

I don't use many of the cogo functions. I usually use the enter deed description option under the survey pulldown.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Jimmy,

I don't believe it is in the 2008 Carlson. Somewhere around 2010, I think, was when they first merged C&G into Carlson.

To do it that way you probably need to create a NEW RW5 file. Go under settings and set your grid data to the proper SPC grid zone and key in the scale factor for the project. Then go under survey and select the new/edit a rw5 file option. On that new window key in your starting point coords and key in your angles and distances. Then when you process the rw5 file to a crd file, the software will apply the scale factor, etc. and give the results you are looking for.