If the data sheet measures up this is very interesting:
https://www.pobonline.com/articles/101851-trimble-announces-x7-3d-laser
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The data sheet:
So yes, actually looks like it may compete well against other brands current offerings.
It is quite a bit more compact than previous offerings.
I am very interested in the field software - looks like a touchscreen-compatible stripped-down version of RealWorks. The ability to QC registration and overlap in the field, and review results in realtime, is great. I was never a scanning guru, but RealWorks was by far the easiest to learn of all the programs I have worked with, and super powerful too.
The T10 is way too heavy/bulky for typical survey work IMO, but it is perfect for this sort of application.
Unless this is ridiculously cheaper than the SX10, its hard to see how this would be a huge benefit to the surveying community.?ÿ I know my point clouds are registered properly in the field with an SX10, because my station set-up will tell me so and I can view them together in the TSC7.
To me this tool looks perfect for a building contractor that specializes in buildout our remodels.?ÿ This will be great if you don't have to tie the scan to a boundary or georeference the scan, cause if you do, then you'll still need a total station and RealWorks.?ÿ And if you are doing complex scans, wouldn't the TX8 be a better unit?
i would think that connecting this to known points is possible because they say it' a "survey grade" instrument.
@bradl : aren't the longer scanning times a hassle when you're doing like a hundred scans with the sx10?
There are significantly longer scan times with the SX10, and I wouldn't use it beyond a dozen or so scans.?ÿ But if I'm trying to capture a bridge, I would do a couple scans with the SX10 and then perform the majority of scanning with the TX8.?ÿ I would already have a georeferenced cloud with the SX10 and I could then merge clouds in RealWorks.?ÿ
With the new X7, you'd scan just like the TX8, and you'd still have to survey targets or easily identified points to georeference so the scan can be tied to a boundary.
This seems like it wants to compete with Faro, however are they now making their high prices scanners obsolete?
any idea what the cost is???ÿ
however are they now making their high prices scanners obsolete?
I don't think so
If I read well in the pdf specs it has a range of 80m, that won't compete with the high?ÿ priced scanners.
I used an SX10 for a week. While it is an excellent robot with "detail" scanning ability, it won't be replacing dedicated 360 scanners.
Most of my scanning work has been well within a 200' need of range. Almost every project I've done benefits from more scans closer together than long range due to shadowing from obstacles, needed detail, etc. The fast scan times are what interest me.
I got a good intro today to the X7 at Intergeo. Price is about 36K euros, includes the instrument, a tripod (not a typical survey tripod), t7 tablet, and software. It has an IMU on board, so it detects being moved to a new station and can use that info to help register the scans. There is a dual screen mode to pick common points if the auto register fails, you just pick an area where it can find a common point and it will use that, worked well in the crowded expo hall. It only needs to be leveled to about +/-5 degrees, it didn't even have leveling screws that I could see, you just set it up nearly level (visually). So it is not a survey workflow where it is centered over a known point.?ÿ
somewhere between a SX10 and a TX8 as far as speed, etc.?ÿ
Agreed. I think equipment like the MS60 and the SX10 have caused people to believe that they can do things they really can't, or that is inefficient to do with that equipment. Can it do 360 degree some scans, yes, but why? If you're really looking to get into scanning professionally buy the tool that does it more productively. Anyone that scans knows that a RTC360, a PSeries Scanner etc will burn up an SX10 or equiivolent.
...and just my opinion....the X7 is not a breakthrough or game changer. In fact, it's not equiivolent to some of the other brand technology that is out there already.
Leica is offering the RTC360. It's faster, under 2 minutes full dome scan with photos. It sits on a camera tripod, no leveling necessary. The operator runs it, picks it up, no more than 10 steps, run, it keeps track of where it is by some sort of inertial navigation. Leica is not calling it survey grade. It has more range and slightly better specs than the Trimble. If you want to tie it to Survey control then put a tripod or prism pole up with black and white paddle target. The import into Register 360 looks for targets in the scans.
Looks nice, but I still would rather have one of these:
https://www.teledyneoptech.com/en/products/static-3d-survey/polaris/
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the X7 is not a breakthrough or game changer. In fact, it's not equiivolent to some of the other brand technology that is out there already.?ÿ
If what I'm hearing for the price is correct ($37k) then it would settle out to equivalent.?ÿ Definitely not a game changer, though.?ÿ Not to mention I think Leica totally pulled a move to steal their thunder with the RTC360LT. ?ÿ
Leica had long been the gold standard for me with anything scanning related - and still is considering the P series, but I'm not in love with their new "iterate early and often" business model with the BLK and RTC lines.?ÿ If I was looking for a ~$40k scanner it would most likely be a Faro.
The RTC360 makes some pretty point clouds and takes beautiful pictures, but the file sizes are monstrous! Also, I've heard a lot of people are having issues with the quality of the on-the-fly cloud to cloud registration. You can't trust it if you don't thoroughly parse it with full-blown Cyclone.
Any idea what the ballpark price is on that? ?ÿ
Apples and oranges compared to the X7 or RTC360 (range vs speed/detail) but for the right price I could make a lot of use of one of those.?ÿ Stonex has a scanner that is only around $25k I think (similar form factor) but I've heard horror stories of them spending more time back at the factory figuring out what's wrong with it than it actually doing scanning work.
i'm not discussing the quality of the instrument but what i've heard from Leica users is that all their additional costs are killing them. I even heard that data can only be downloaded on a usb-stick from Leica. $$$.
What a load of crap. I run a Riegl and pay like 1500€ per year for updates on the software Riscan. All future updates on the firmware of the scanner are free until the end. Now that's manageable. I use a ssd to download my data to, if i knew python programming i could write my own software for it.
Now Leica has released an LT version of their RTC360 and are going crazy about this BLK360 which no one has seen data from or any spec sheet. I told this earlier, Leica is just a large marketing machine. I would never buy anything from them.
Just my 2cents
55k for 250m range, 85k for 750m, and 105k for 1600m.
The ranges with any of these models are pretty ridiculous when you think about it.
I'm sure you could shop around and maybe find a used or demo one for a good price.
Teledyne Optech makes the real deal stuff - no junk at all coming out of that shop.
All depends on the range you need. If I was scanning for a surface mine or quarry I'd go for Optech or Reigl in a heartbeat.
