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We typically work with large coordinate values and our projects often stretch several miles, so the difference in U.S. Survey Feet vs. International Feet definitely rears its ugly head at the most inopportune times. It has bit us more than once!

I was initially not pleased with the possible disappearance of the U.S. Survey Foot but since I watched the webinar, it does in fact make sense to retire it.


The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.

 
Posted : April 26, 2019 8:33 pm
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We could just look to our neighbor that did the change....Few their think it was too difficult. 


 
Posted : April 26, 2019 11:57 pm
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Converting coordinates from meters to US survey feet vs the international foot can lead up to a foot and a half discrepancy.


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 6:58 am
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Saw it happen first hand with a county plan done in meters. Someone decided to multiply the coords by 3.2808 instead of 3700/1200.

 

Needless to say, he was wondering why the mons were coming up 1.5 feet out


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 7:04 am
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Depends where you are in the zone. It can be much more in a big state.


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 7:08 am

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1 meter = 3937/1200 US Survey Feet


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 9:22 am
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They should make it clearer that they are expecting meters, but for the vast majority of their customers that assumption will be correct. 


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 10:14 am
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That is a fact that was never taught in school. It was always 1 inch equal 2.54 centimeters.

I am amazed at how many drawings and other recorded information and abstractors that have varas being converted into feet by multiplying varas by either 2.77 or 2.78 and sometimes 3.

The real method is dividing varas by 0.39 to get feet.


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 1:28 pm
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1 international foot = 0.3048 meters which is 2.54cm to the inch.


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 1:45 pm
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The unit conversion feature in an HP50g or a TI89 from feet to meters is international feet to meters. 1,000,000 feet converts to 304,800 meters. Something to be aware of. 


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 2:19 pm

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My calculator app has both (1,000,000 meters)...


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 7:03 pm
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For those such as myself that missed the Thursday webinar, it is now available.?ÿ Enjoy.

Fate of the U.S. Survey Foot after 2022: A Conversation with NGS


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 8:19 pm
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Oh, good. Thank you for letting us know! I had to miss it due to a previously scheduled meeting.


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 8:28 pm
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Here is the slide I was posting about...

The conversion to meters at the 1chain level is identical at 4 places as given so he seems to be assuming 1 chain = 66 ift so the usft varies a bit.


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 8:53 pm
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And I missed it because of a dental appointment....I didn't mind going!  ???? 


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 9:30 pm

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Here is somethuing I found.?ÿ The BLM chain length is based on the U.S. Survey Foot by law.?ÿ Several years ago I ran across the BLM definition of a meter, set by law, for the relationship to a chain, but can't remember where I saw the article. As it stands now there is more than one definition of a meter being used and you can't use the SI for the older work done in meters. Meters is a bunch of BS anyway.

When ƒ??Gunter's chainƒ? is used without qualification, and always in the United States, the unit is (17th century ƒ?? present), = 1ƒ?10 furlong = 4 perches= 22 yards = 66 feet = 20.1168 meters. link to a table showing relationships between English units of length In the United States these units are based upon the survey foot, not the international foot. A square chain = 4,356 square feet (approximately 404.686 square meters). One link = 7.92 inches, a hundredth of a chain.

The square link is a unit of area, = 62.75 square inches (404.686 square centimeters).


 
Posted : April 27, 2019 11:06 pm
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I think that NGS and Surveyors should be using the Meter or/and stay with the US Survey Foot. International foot will create more mess that system used now due mentioned by others small difference US Survey FT v. International FT. If we can't adopt more practical Metric System than we need to stick with US Survey Feet. Meter is already adopted in all surveying CAD, GIS, point cloud and least square adjustment software products so it is no cost to switch if needed. Also carpenters may use Decimeter = 1/10 of meters if they want smaller units for convenience. If we adopt now International Foot ("new" foot) then after 10 years we will have to adopt meter anyway, so double transition cost (double whammy). Maybe it is my bias opinion due to the fact I used meter 15 years ago in Europe.


 
Posted : April 28, 2019 12:18 am
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Well, I'll be. So does the HP 50g. If you hit the scroll key twice from the units menu, there it is.

I don't see it in the TI 89 menu, though.

 


 
Posted : April 28, 2019 5:51 am
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Meters is a bunch of BS anyway.

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Ha, square peg-round hole. Shoving meters over our existing cadastre,,,,,,,,,,,,, it can be done of course.

Sometime in the early 2000's I was at the offices of a local engineering company looking at petition filing. One of the senior engineers slapped a plan set for the new road that kinda connected our two offices, he asked if I knew why it was important, "The last metric DOT job!!!!". He was so happy to be done with it.

I don't wish to speak for everyone, but that seemed to be the universal response.

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Posted : April 28, 2019 7:21 am
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