I am wondering if a base level (GPS only, static only) Javad Triumph 2 and its accompanying software functions easily and flawlessly. Specifically, in regard to downloading to a pc, submitting to OPUS, converting to RINEX, and importing into processing software (native format?).
I have two X90-OPUS GPS receivers that have great a download app, and it makes submittal to OPUS a breeze. It’s so wonderful when hardware and pc and apps function easily and quickly each and every use. Bless you Mark Silver.
I’m thinking about the Triumph 2 because of its small size and light weight. By the time I walk out of the bush, I am at the limit of strength and endurance. If I add more weight to the kit, something must be dropped. (Time to shed some fat off my body.) When I fall down, a 1.23 lb. (Triumph) vs 3.1 lb. (X90) receiver may make the difference between a bent prism pole or not. Plus its small size may allow it to fit in the total station backpack.
I’m trying to gain redundancy to add to my total station traverse by setting the two X90’s on traverse nails in the road ROW, traverse through the brush (~800ft. to 1000ft. from the ROW) with the TS. Set the Triumph on the rear corners, thus triangulating each occupied point. Then combine all the GPS data in some processing package and use the result to check the total station traverse.
What say you? Is this easy to do with Javad receivers and apps?
When I can afford it, I’ll think about real time.
Thanks in advance, Rich.
PS This is the kind of stuff that I wake up thinking about at 2:30 in the morning. I have a sickness:-P
You're not sick, you are a surveyor that cares about the quality of the work he is doing!
I too have two OPUS X90 units. They are awesome! I cannot offer any suggestions on the Javed units.
Good luck!
> I am wondering if a base level (GPS only, static only) Javad Triumph 2 and its accompanying software functions easily and flawlessly. Specifically, in regard to downloading to a pc, submitting to OPUS, converting to RINEX, and importing into processing software (native format?).
As to the hardware, the Triumph-2 is very nice: compact and solid. It uses a 1/4"-20 mount (same as most cameras), but comes with a standard 5/8"-11 adapter for mounting on a pole or tribrach adapter.
Submitting to OPUS can be done a couple of ways:
1. Connect to a PC and download via Javad's NetView application (free). OPUS can read the native JPS format, so you can submit the file without conversion.
2. Use a smartphone app, available for Android and IOS. Javad Mobile Tools is $20, and allows you to download the files and submit them to OPUS directly. Javad Netbrowser is free (available for Andoid; not sure about IOS), and allows you to download to your phone. You'll then have to send the file to your PC and submit to OPUS from there.
In connection with a change in my business insurance, I recently had to update my equipment inventory and put current replacement values on everything. For large static campaigns I've been using a bunch of Trimble 4000SSi units, which are far beyond obsolete as far as retail valuations go. I used the GPS-only Triumph-2 price for the insurance valuation, because that's what I'd replace the Trimble receivers with if something happened to them.
Thanks Jim,
Do you use any software to process Javad GPS data and do an adjustment?
Rich
Judge for yourself:
I have called Jason Scott with Klein Survey Systems with questions a few times, he is a great resource.
> Do you use any software to process Javad GPS data and do an adjustment?
This is a big sore spot for me, but it has nothing to do with Javad. I use Trimble Business Center to post-process GPS data, but Trimble hasn't included the newerJavad antenna models in TBC, despite the fact that NGS and IGS have had ANTEX files for them available for a year or so. My dealer has a support ticket open with Trimble, but so far the response has been "We'll add the models in the next update." Meanwhile, I have data I can't process reliably.
Jim, can you abandon the Trimble definitions and move solely to the NGS definations? I can with Leica software and have done so, easy to update on my own as NGS updates the list.
SHG
> You're not sick, you are a surveyor that cares about the quality of the work he is doing!
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> I too have two OPUS X90 units. They are awesome! I cannot offer any suggestions on the Javed units.
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> Good luck!
I agree.
Thanks Bill. :good: Good video. Rich
> Jim, can you abandon the Trimble definitions and move solely to the NGS definations? I can with Leica software and have done so, easy to update on my own as NGS updates the list.
The NGS absolute models are what I want to use, but Trimble has made it practically impossible to do that without their configuration updates. So I'm stuck until they see fit to provide them.
Given the ready availability of antenna model definitions in standard ANTEX format, this strikes me as a needless hindrance, and I'm not a happy customer.
Well that kind of sucks! I don't think Leica is alone in reading in the *.atx files, Waypoint's Inertial Explorer does also, having the antennas hardwired to a brand of software is kind of old school these days!
SHG
I've owned both the Triumph2 and X90-OPUS. Mark devised a very good, very functional system. It produces very accurate results. Enough internal memory that you may not ever need to clear it (4gb). It's somewhat big (although not heavy at all), and it has a limited internal battery life (6 hours, which can be overcome with an external power source). His upload utility is slick, and from what I understand, supports various online services. If a buyer has no further expectations of the X90 beyond what it was designed and marketed to do, he will no doubt be very satisfied. Mark is also a very reliable and knowledgeable dealer that stands behind his product. I consider him to be a true friend.
Javad's Triumph2 is remarkable. As a static receiver, it may be without a peer at the moment. The size is roughly equivalent to 3 HP-48's stacked on top of one another. It runs in excess of 24 hours on a single charge (I've personally tested this). The previous NGS calibration values were wrong which led to some disappointing OPUS solutions. Suspecting that the issue was with the antenna calibration values NGS determined for the Triumph2, Javad had Geo++ perform a new calibration on it (as well as some of his other receivers) several months ago. The Geo++ calibration is exhaustive and unparalleled in its results. NGS recently adopted the new calibrations and the OPUS results have been spectacular from what I've seen. The Triumph2 is equipped with USB, Bluetooth and WiFi. Once the WiFi is configured (which takes some effort), the Triumph2 will automatically connect to the WiFi network it is configured for without any user intervention (simply power it up). Files can then be downloaded quickly and wirelessly. As others mentioned, IOS and Android apps are available to download files and upload to OPUS or Javad's own DPOS service. The Triumph2 is upgradeable to GPS+Glonass RTK base/rover. RINEX converters for PC, IOS and Android exist, but OPUS accepts the jps format natively, so there is no need to convert the file to RINEX unless you plan to post-process in third party software.
Pricing is ridiculous for both the X90 and the Triumph2. It's a real pleasure for me to write this as I have met both Mark and Javad and discussed these receivers at length with both of them. What they are doing for surveyors is fantastic. Barriers related to cost and complexity that previously prevented surveyors from tying their work to true geodetic coordinates and a reproducible bearing relation have been destroyed. What they have done will change the dynamics of the market and the other manufacturers will be forced to respond.
Shawn, What about getting 2 Triumph 2 units, and a small radio, and the little Javad data collector with it?
Would that not be a handy way to go?
I know, it would be small, light, and, it would allow anybody that bought the Triumph 2 units to seriously upgrade, and GO.
Do you think that will be a good solution?
It was a real pleasure meeting you.
N
It's coming. I can't speak to its capability yet as I haven't used it yet. But it would seem to be a very small package with a lot of capability, but that's only speculation on my part. And yes, a couple of basic GPS only Triumph-2 receivers will be able to be upgraded to GPS+Glonass RTK Rover/Base.
Your question brings to mind another interesting comparison between what Mark Silver is doing and what Javad is doing. Mark has some pretty competitive pricing on a couple of RTK systems now and the Triumph2 RTK system will be very comparable in price once it's released. To my knowledge, no one else has multi-constellation, dual frequency RTK systems priced at this level.
It was nice to meet you too, Nate!
I ordered my Triumph 2 RTK system in Dec.and got the two Triumph 2's and the 35W UHF radio. According to Javad, the data collector to work them (Victor LS) will be out in April. Since I needed it now {due to my old Trimble 5800 rover was failed motherboard challenged}, they sent me a loaner Triumph LS. All I can say is wow, where have you been all of my (Surveying)life. The Javad system is extremely impressive, especially considering the cost/features compared with all other systems
I have used the older Javad Legacy E, Legant-Odyssey system before, later updated to a Topcon GR3 rover. It was always fun to work next to guys using older Trimble without GLONASS and be taking shots while they were waiting for a fix in open areas. Of course at my current firm I have had to use the old Trimble that I used to make fun of:-( .
