I got a bad shot just last week. Brand new and updated base/rover R10 pair. But this was possibly even more difficult than canopy, it was next to a 10' tall ballistic security fence. The distance between the "store another" was 25 feet! That's the worst I've seen in some time. I stayed well away from the fence after that and broke out the S7 for those locations. I too, though, have noticed it's nearly impossible to get the same bad fix twice in canopy. I wouldn't say it CAN'T happen, but I've yet to see it. In the deep dark hollers of SW VA there's still plenty of places an R10 won't fix at all. Forget trees, sometimes dirt and rock are blocking half of the sky. I have noticed that the more birds go up the point of failure gets deeper and deeper in the holler. I chuckle when I read from some people "more than 20 doesn't help accuracy at all". Forget accuracy (a foot is usually good enough for LOD), I'm trying to overcome multipath - and it sure seems like the more the better.
It was fixed? I know fix is different with an R10, I can store points with bad geometry all day long, but they aren't good points that I would trust.
Yes it was fixed. I was surveying rapid with auto-store once fixed. My SOP is to count the number back and "store another" to review the deviation between the two.
@Norman Oklahoma
"Healthy Dose of propaganda"
I don't really think so.
If you took your favorite GPS into impossibleville, and set it up, let it get a fix, stored that fix with a temporary name, then, turned the pole over, loosing lock, then set it back up, and did this 10 to 15 times, (in challenging location, this could use a lot of time), then, took the average of the statistically strongest group of temporary coords, and used this for your init position, then gathered for several more minutes, and then flipped your pole over several more times. To double check the init location. If this test fails, then start over. If it passes, then you save the coord. To attempt all this checking with any other scheme would be difficult.
Whereas, this is a brief summary of one boundary shot, and all the above is automated.
Observing multiple times, ONLY refines this coord, by hundredths. It has a weighted average program in it, which is quite good.
I have heard of one instance of the above coord being wrong by 0.8'. Another user was set up against a 30" tree, and it gave an answer that was wrong by 0.8'. The surveyor (as is his practice) re-shot it, found the 0.8', then observed it a couple more times, to be sure.
So, any time I'm close to a tree, I observe multiple times.
I personally have NEVER gotten a wrong init.with the above system, that's fully automated. Believe me, I've tried to break it.
So, the reaso we like it, is it works. Propaganda is NOT a part of this. We flushed propaganda long ago. That's WHY we bought Javad. I thought on this a while before posting it. Propaganda is NOT something we like.
Ps... I'm just a user. Unpaid.
Perhaps you just don't like the word. But a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.....
Simultaneous parallel solutions have been a routine thing for 20 years at least. Not unique to Javad. Your Javad is a good unit at a good price and I'm glad you like it. It is undoubtedly significantly better than earlier generation units, particularly GPS only units held together with multiple layers of duct tape. But that's all it is. Modern units sold by other major vendors are as good, or very nearly so, and in some cases better.
You've got a good unit there, Nate-ster. But it's not a box full of miracles.
Smells like stuffy to me:) Some don't like the fun way of advertising, think it's unprofessional. To be propaganda it would need to be untrue at the time it was said. I've not seen anything like that from the company. Enthusiastic users are just that. I haven't seen users in these threads talking down other brands, just users of other brands bothered by the enthusiasm for some reason.
I might value my service at a million dollars an hour but that doesn't mean anyone will pay for it.
To be propaganda it would need to be untrue at the time it was said.?ÿ
Propaganda doesn't have to be untrue.?ÿ I'm not weighing in on whether the subject matter here is propaganda, but just to keep the logic clear.
"Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented."
"To be propaganda it would need to be untrue..."
Propaganda is biased or misleading, but not necessarily untrue.
In other words, untrue. I didn't say it needed to be an outright lie, although that would qualify as well.
I argue propaganda is necessarily untrue. That is the nature of biased or misleading. Even splitting hairs like a politician, I haven't noticed anything other than having a little fun with advertising.
Then you are arguing with the dictionary. Good luck with that.
Well it's just interesting to see the Tribal reaction to the newcomer in the context of surveying equipment. I mean, all kinds of praise for equipment by users on here over the years. But haven't seen this kind of reaction to any other brands being praised. I try to ignore but the attempt to marginalize a user's story with claims of propaganda had to be responded to. I don't think it's fair; you do. We've both had our say now so I'll drop it.
@plumb bill
"there's still plenty of places an R10 won't fix at all."
I have yet to find a place I cannot get the shot. I suppose I could put aluminum foil on it, or stick it under a carport, up against the inside roof.
When I say "a shot", I mean a verified, and for real shot. I described this elsewhere.
The proof is always in the pudding.
N
My realtor/attorney clients don't really care if they get charged more an hour for the new equipment as long as the job gets done on time. I've had to sit some of my landowner clients down and work the numbers out for them showing them how my being more productive benefits them. Even with my cost per hour going up when I buy new equipment it takes me less time in the field. You can't take the cost of new equipment/software out of the equation or we might as we'll be working with a transit and chain. People don't care how the work gets done just the final cost and time.
In 2006 I added GPS to the tool box and started using 4 wheelers. Per hour it added $25 an hour to my cost of doing business. It cut my field time by at least a third. I was able to increase my charges per hour by $50/hr, get the jobs done quicker and do more jobs in a year. No one really ever bitched by I don't do a lot of work where people are standing over my should watching either.
The entire Javad unit is contained in the antenna head, meaning you have to access all the features through the antenna head. Are those buttons a hard-press like the power button on an R8, or are they sort of like a touch screen button ?
I was wondering about this thinking if you were plumbed up over a point with a pole and bi-pod, would you want to start pressing buttons and chance knocking the pole out of plumb ? if you worry about thing s like being plumbed over a point.
Are those buttons a hard-press like the power button on an R8, or are they sort of like a touch screen button ?
Yes. When using the hardware buttons I like to wrap my fingers around the receiver to keep from moving the unit. However, all the buttons needed when logging a point are available on the touch screen as well.
I thought there is an app, so it can be controlled from a mobile device, so you don't need to touch it?
Yes... Well there was such an app.
I used it some. But, after migrating from a windows o/s, I've heard it's not been updated. I did not use it much. It tended to drain my cell phone battery, due to mifi. And, my cell battery was weak at the time.
However, you can pre configure the LS, to operate up tall, say at 12' or 16'.
I made a profile for shooting bldg roof corners. It has a delay of 10", before it starts. It has a down pointing flashlight, that flashes a pattern, when it's done.
So have some other users. Anyway, back to your question, they will fix the app. But, you need mifi to run the LS. And there is some 1/2 second delay.
I hope I've answered your question.
And, maybe the app has been updated to work with Linux already, but I missed it. The app costed some $20.00
N
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Yes... Well there was such an app.
I believe you can still run the Triumph-LS remotely via RAMSS (another app), though I've not tried it.?ÿ I expect the delay issue would be about the same.?ÿ But for everyday use I haven't felt the need to do that.?ÿ I typically mount the receiver on a pole with a bipod, so I can press the touchscreen buttons all day long without knocking it out of plumb.