I am working on a graduate school project term paper concerning the CFedS program. If you are a CFedS primarily working in a colonial state, I would like to ask you some questions and you can message me.
Currently there are this many CFedS in these states:
TEXAS 32
NORTH CAROLINA 17
GEORGIA 13
NEW YORK 7
SOUTH CAROLINA 7
WEST VIRGINIA 7
MAINE 6
PENNSYLVANIA 6
VIRGINIA 6
HAWAII 5
CONNECTICUT 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1
MARYLAND 1
NEW HAMPSHIRE 1
VERMONT 1
I have responded SS.....
Don
SS, Is that list from the BLM or is it just members of this board that admit to being a CFeds?
foggyidea, post: 408388, member: 155 wrote: SS, Is that list from the BLM or is it just members of this board that admit to being a CFeds?
This list is from the CFedS administrator
SouthernSurvey, post: 408378, member: 7035 wrote: Currently there are this many CFedS
Whenever I read "there are this many" I envision someone holding up fingers.
I suppose that most of those people are also registered in PLSS states.
I would venture to say that there may be some that took the course to make them a better surveyor.
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 408490, member: 91 wrote: I would venture to say that there may be some that took the course to make them a better surveyor.
Last year when I was sending out copies of my CFedS course data there were literally dozens of surveyors that had no intention of ever taking the test, but still wanted to review the course materials. For Education.
Probably a third of them were not in PLSS states. Not statistically significant, but good to know.
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 408490, member: 91 wrote: I would venture to say that there may be some that took the course to make them a better surveyor.
Yes, and there are Native lands in the colonial states as well that might fall under some of the cfeds instruction. I used to spend half a semester of boundary law class teaching PLSS to colonial state students. And followed in second boundary class with more instruction of PLSS. Can't be a licensed U.S. surveyor without some knowledge of PLSS. Most of the exams are national, and geared toward PLSS answers to things such as riparian rights. For instance, what makes a stream navigable in law? On an NCEES exam the answer is quite different than on a NYS specific exam.
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 408490, member: 91 wrote: I would venture to say that there may be some that took the course to make them a better surveyor.
I was a CFedS with only colonial experience, but I let it drop due to the continuing ed requirements. I gave the keynote speech at the CFedS banquet in 2010 (during the last ACSM convention) and called the program "grad school for boundary surveyors".
There is a great section in the videos, only a couple of minutes long, where two of the instructors are discussing the way to break down an atypical section and they both say how they would do it off the top of their head, disagreeing on the method. After a few minutes of discussion they come to the conculusion that both ways are probably equally defendable, but they never would have thought of the other option on their own. Every surveyor who's ever said "why the heck did that moron set the corner there?" should have to watch that.
Is there a place to download the CFEDS material just for self study?
SouthernSurvey, post: 408378, member: 7035 wrote: I am working on a graduate school project term paper concerning the CFedS program. If you are a CFedS primarily working in a colonial state, I would like to ask you some questions and you can message me.
Currently there are this many CFedS in these states:
TEXAS 32
NORTH CAROLINA 17
GEORGIA 13
NEW YORK 7
SOUTH CAROLINA 7
WEST VIRGINIA 7
MAINE 6
PENNSYLVANIA 6
VIRGINIA 6
HAWAII 5
CONNECTICUT 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1
MARYLAND 1
NEW HAMPSHIRE 1
VERMONT 1
Did you leave out Tennessee and Kentucky on purpose?
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 410364, member: 91 wrote: Is there a place to download the CFEDS material just for self study?
I have the data from the 2009 program, including PDFs of all printed materials, I don't believe it has changed much if at all.
Many sent me USB sticks, and I returned them with the data. Perhaps somebody pushed it all up to the cloud, don't know.
It fit on a 16GB if I recall correctly.
If you like send me email (in my profile) and I can work out a way to get that data for you. Still open offer to all.
aliquot, I did leave out Tennessee and Kentucky by accident! I was looking at a meridian index map produced by Whitestar and it showed Tennessee and Kentucky to have a PLSS system. Yet, I looked at another map and it was considered colonial. Kentucky has 15 CFedS and Tennessee has 12, or about 1.5% of their licensure base.
SouthernSurvey, post: 411924, member: 7035 wrote: aliquot, I did leave out Tennessee and Kentucky by accident! I was looking at a meridian index map produced by Whitestar and it showed Tennessee and Kentucky to have a PLSS system. Yet, I looked at another map and it was considered colonial. Kentucky has 15 CFedS and Tennessee has 12, or about 1.5% of their licensure base.
Southern,
Would you happen to have a copy of that meridian map? There are parts of Tennessee that were laid out in PLSS, but it went away rather quickly. I run across deeds all the time that reference the PLSS system in Tennessee.
Thanks,
Jimmy
If it is of interest California is primarily PLSS but there are a Lot of Mexican Land Grants also... some Grants were also made in Oregon.
James Fleming, post: 410285, member: 136 wrote: I was a CFedS with only colonial experience, but I let it drop due to the continuing ed requirements. I gave the keynote speech at the CFedS banquet in 2010 (during the last ACSM convention) and called the program "grad school for boundary surveyors".
There is a great section in the videos, only a couple of minutes long, where two of the instructors are discussing the way to break down an atypical section and they both say how they would do it off the top of their head, disagreeing on the method. After a few minutes of discussion they come to the conculusion that both ways are probably equally defendable, but they never would have thought of the other option on their own. Every surveyor who's ever said "why the heck did that moron set the corner there?" should have to watch that.
"Every surveyor who's ever said "why the heck did that moron set the corner there?" should have to watch that." Would that be a "continuing ed requirement"?
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 411925, member: 91 wrote: Southern,
Would you happen to have a copy of that meridian map? There are parts of Tennessee that were laid out in PLSS, but it went away rather quickly. I run across deeds all the time that reference the PLSS system in Tennessee.
Thanks,
Jimmy
A portion of Eastern Tennessee was surveyed on a PLSS like system, but the rules were loose and it its mostly ignored now. Portions of far West Tennesee were surveyed as parts of Arkansas and Missouri, but I have never heard of any official goverment surveys intentionally done in Tennesee. I'd be interested in any information on this that any one has.
I have done some research on this, and have a few answers. I have discovered some maps that show the small portion of West Tennessee that was laid out in the PLSS system when Mississippi was surveyed. There was some discrepancy on the location of the Mississippi and Tennessee line. It was originally farther north than it's present location. It hit me one day on how to research this, and low and behold, I found some maps that show both lines.
I also have discovered that large portions of West Tennessee were divided into surveyor's districts, and they were surveyed off in a Township/Range system, but in five (5) mile increments instead of the 6 mile increments of the PLSS system. This system fell to the wayside over the years, but you can still find some reference to it in some places. I am not sure how many areas in Tennessee were laid out in this fashion.
I hope to find some time in the future to research this farther, but my classes at Great Basin and work are keeping me busy. There are just not enough hours in the day,
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 413783, member: 91 wrote: I have done some research on this, and have a few answers. I have discovered some maps that show the small portion of West Tennessee that was laid out in the PLSS system when Mississippi was surveyed. There was some discrepancy on the location of the Mississippi and Tennessee line. It was originally farther north than it's present location. It hit me one day on how to research this, and low and behold, I found some maps that show both lines.
I also have discovered that large portions of West Tennessee were divided into surveyor's districts, and they were surveyed off in a Township/Range system, but in five (5) mile increments instead of the 6 mile increments of the PLSS system. This system fell to the wayside over the years, but you can still find some reference to it in some places. I am not sure how many areas in Tennessee were laid out in this fashion.
I hope to find some time in the future to research this farther, but my classes at Great Basin and work are keeping me busy. There are just not enough hours in the day,
Interesting, my time in Tennessee was all in East Tennessee except for one large topographic survey. I think survey wise Tennessee has some of the biggest regional differences.
