PDF Audit!

Scared me, man. I thought there was some new government bureaucracy similar to the IRS charged with auditing any PDF's we produce.o.O

Not a new agency, just the licensing boards. This one happens to be NV, but OR has audited me before too.

SHG

These are PDHs, right?

Warren Smith, post: 336493, member: 9900 wrote: These are PDHs, right?

Getting so a guy can't keep his TLA's straight.

Looking up PDH vs. PDF PDQ.

You guys are funny! Too bad you can't edit the title of a post after the fact!

I was audited by Oregon several years ago. I'm probably about due to have it happen again. If I could claim the hours I spend on SurveyorConnect I'd never have to worry about it.

AMEN!!!!!!!

You are preaching to the choir.

We do not have PDF, PDH, CEU or otherwise yet, but I keep a notebook with every certification for every seminar I attend. I did not know what else to do with them and now if someone questions me I can prove I attended a seminar... Proving I learned something at the seminar is a harder endeavor...

I have a friend who is a CPA. He is acquiring CEUs by listening to a book on tape with a followup exam on the computer. Seems decent for someone with a commute.

I just tell them my birth date and date of registration...

A.C.A. å¤ 17-48-206 (2015)
17-48-206. Continuing education requirements.
(a) (1) The State Board of Licensure for Professional Engineers and Professional Surveyors shall issue rules establishing the continuing education requirements for professional surveyors and surveyor interns.
(2) The rules shall take into account the accessibility to applicants of the board's continuing education requirements.
(3) The rules may:
(A) Rely upon guidelines and pronouncements of recognized educational and professional associations;
(B) Prescribe the content, duration, and organization of courses;
(C) Provide for the relaxation or suspension of requirements for:
(i) Applicants who certify that they do not intend to engage in the practice of surveying; and
(ii) Instances of individual hardship;
(D) Exempt from licensed continuing education requirements a professional surveyor sixty (60) years of age or older with twenty (20) or more years of experience as a practicing professional surveyor; and
(E) (i) Prescribe the manner and condition under which credit shall be given for participation in a program of continuing education that the board considers necessary and appropriate to maintain competency in the practice of surveying.
(ii) Examples of programs of continuing education that are acceptable include without limitation programs or seminars sponsored by higher educational institutions, government agencies, and professional surveying organizations and related professions.
(b) (1) An application for renewal of a certificate of licensure shall be accompanied by evidence documenting the completion of acceptable continuing education credit during the previous renewal period.
(2) Failure by an applicant to provide this evidence upon request by the board is grounds for disciplinary action unless the board determines the failure is due to a reasonable cause or the applicant was not engaged in the practice of surveying during the previous renewal period.
(3) The board may renew a certificate of licensure despite an applicant's failure to furnish satisfactory evidence of meeting continuing education requirements and may issue a certificate of licensure to an applicant who has previously maintained inactive status under å¤ 17-48-204(c) if the applicant follows a particular program or schedule of continuing education prescribed by the board.
HISTORY: Acts 1987, No. 1070, å¤ 1; 2005, No. 1178, å¤ 15; 2009, No. 444, å¤ 7; 2011, No. 898, å¤ 5.

Could be worse. I'm on the board of our fire district, and we are strictly volunteer. We don't pay ourselves anything. I guess we do it for the glory. Anyway, I had to run for election, which meant getting neighbors to sign my petition, and now I have to attend six hours of classes related to being on the board of a public agency.

Dan B. Robison, post: 336628, member: 34 wrote: (D) Exempt from licensed continuing education requirements a professional surveyor sixty (60) years of age or older with twenty (20) or more years of experience as a practicing professional surveyor;

Nothing personal intended, but isn't this category of professional just as much, if not more, in need of continuing education as the world evolves?

On the other hand, such people should be leading classes on many subjects that the younger ones need very much. Things that don't come out of textbooks and tech manuals for new equipment.

I wish they would start this in my State. I'd still get plenty of hours of CE but wouldn't have to worry about going through the hassle of proving it. You see, nothing is pre-approved. You document what you have done and people you don't know decide whether or not any of that is acceptable in their opinion to be counted towards the total needed. The opportunity for bias is too easy.

The lack of pre-approvals works both ways. By not pre-approving the board is obliged to accept any sort of good faith effort on the part of the registrant. For example, I'd bet if someone presented evidence of regular, survey related, postings to SurveyorConnect , to the extent that one would conceivably have spent 15 hours a year reading, formulating, and writing responses to survey related postings, the board would have to accept it. But I don't care to be the test case.

By not pre-approving the board is obliged to accept any sort of good faith effort

I really doubt most boards are going to accept that logic. Somebody gave them POWER and they want to exercise it. I'd say all they will feel obliged to do is review the submissions. If they don't like some submissions, that's your tough luck and if they feel generous they will give you a few weeks to make it up before your license is deactivated.

I lived in a town that had a volunteet fire department.
They didn't get paid either, but they got to keep all the charcoal they could salvage.

Holy Cow, post: 338141, member: 50 wrote: On the other hand, such people should be leading classes on many subjects that the younger ones need very much. Things that don't come out of textbooks and tech manuals for new equipment.

This is exactly what a few of us 'older' fellows are doing here in central Arkansas. We make ourselves available to mentor, and provide a few workbooks based upon questions asked.

I still attend the ASPS meetings, but as I am exempt, do not feel forced to attend any particular class.

DDSM:beer:

A few years ago, for a couple of years, I sat in on the Oregon State Board's public meetings as an observer for PLSO. At most of these meetings a lawyer from the Attorney General's Office was present to offer the board legal advise regarding disciplinary matters.

I can't speak for all boards, but Oregon's was very careful to have their ducks in a row when meting out discipline. They recognized that there were a number of people who weren't very good at their profession, but couldn't be touched because vaguely defined crimes like "substandard practice" which would be ver difficult to prove to the degree required by law. That is why the most common infraction for which discipline is imposed is failure to file Records of Survey in a timely manner. That has a defined pass/fail that can be measured. But usually these things came to the board's attention only because the ROS's that were filed were pretty crappy.

I sat in on one interview were the registrant had failed to get the required PDH's. The board was trying very hard to give this guy all the credit they possibly could. His major crime was failing to respond to the board's inquiries, another definable pass/fail. Any sort of effort to do any internet delivered thing would have cleared him.

Holy Cow, post: 338141, member: 50 wrote: On the other hand, such people should be leading classes on many subjects that the younger ones need very much. Things that don't come out of textbooks and tech manuals for new equipment.

I volunteer as an EMT. I am required to complete around 48 hours of continuing education every 2 years. I am allowed to count classes I teach, as well as classes I attend.