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....as Solo, not being given advice or admonishments etc.....

And i found a bust in the data, or just a standard weird skew of the original survey data held for perpetuity by the monuments that were given for reference....

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Tear it apart, im just building the skills, and no style yet, im just essentially trying on different coats like at the mens warehouse....

I was told that I was cheating my drafting my data, and not hand calculating the central angles with an abacus and some palm fronds with the papyrus..... ???? ???? ?????ÿ

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Posted : September 26, 2021 10:36 pm
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I'd just offer the advice that even if the words don't flow as they should, remember to stay consistent. Also, spelling matters.

I didn't plug it in and look at the numbers, but offhand, all of your distances are .00 except for the LC of your first curve which is .0 (stay consistent!) Additionally, the tie distance to the E1/4 corner seems to be missing at the end of your description.

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Posted : September 27, 2021 3:52 am
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@kjypls?ÿ

Thank you!!!

Dammit.?ÿ I knew I'd miss something....that's why you should never check your own work...but I'm alone so no other eyes.

I see I missed a few formatting things too (copy paste) and an apostrophe for a distance ( too tired to catch). The sig fig was probably the words processor not caring about it....stupid computer... ?????ÿ

Yes, the apparent misclosure is only due to my 'perfect' section I plopped down for just a background.

I was up against the 23:59 submitting deadline and didn't want to chase the rotation etc because it wasn't relevant to the exercise.

Thank you again for your insight.

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 3:59 am
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Consistency is key...like @kjypls said, even if it doesn't really flow, keep it consistent. This especially comes into play when doing linear, corridor type projects where sheets and descriptions reference each other multiple times.

Also, don't worry if Joe Surveyor agrees with your style of descriptions, it's YOUR style and as long as the pertinent information is there and correct to the best of your ability, the rest is gravy. (I know you know this but just restating it)

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 4:27 am
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I would give the curves their own sentence. The way it reads it never actually says it's continuing along a curve. There is no mention of width in the description or the drawing and there needs to be preamble.?ÿ

?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ An access easement being forty (40) foot wide twenty (20) feet each side of a centerline situated in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, as shown on INSERT THE DRAWING/EXHIBIT/ROS NAME attached hereto and by this reference made a part hereof; said centerline being more particularly described as follows:

Something like that.

You need to also fix the POB and POT on something; in other words call out the boundary lines that the easement is crossing. The POB should be called out as being on the section either by saying that or saying that the tie is along the section line. And I would call out the POT or point of terminus and make a reference tie to the E1/4. The description now turns down the center section line to the E1/4 as written.?ÿ

I'm thinking the drawing is some type of worksheet for the description? Things need to be cleaned up for an actual filing document. And why show the chord twice?

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 5:03 am
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@mightymoe?ÿ

i was tired, and had no power for 12 hours yesterday.?ÿ I forgot to remove the Chords in the drawing as mentally i had them on the no plot layer, but apparently not.?ÿ ;)?ÿ?ÿ

Again, thank you all, im just diving into this, and started a new job today where this is going to be my treading water or drown proofing exercise.

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and the road was a prescriptive road by the exercises creator, and other weird esoteric stuff, that frankly, for a group of student taking their first legal boundaries class and lab, were being dumped into the deep end with no real guidance.?ÿ old school...;)

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 6:43 am
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@squirl?ÿ

except this Joe surveyor is the dude grading it so he's getting to influence us with HIS style....bleh......?ÿ 😉

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 7:03 am
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@jitterboogie?ÿ

Does Joe surveyor really say to a point of curvature with a chord bearing of...........?

The way it reads is to imply a point of curvature has a chord.?ÿ

It's really hard to follow, you may assume what it's saying but I would hate to stand behind it.?ÿ

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 7:07 am
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@mightymoe?ÿ

im learning.?ÿ bring it all!

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 7:14 am
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You don't have to use it but I've used this type of language for curves for years. Just an example in case you were looking for something similar.

with the arc of a curve to the right a distance of 50.69 feet, through a central angle of 03?ø38ƒ??39ƒ?, having a radius of 797.00 feet, and whose chord bears N62?ø48ƒ??35ƒ?W, a distance of 50.68 feet to a calculated point and the POINT OF BEGINNING of the tract described herein;

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 7:58 am
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@squirl?ÿ

this site needs to be a req for any ABET or any surveying education course anywhere period.

the knowledge base is real, fluid, and unconstrained.

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Posted : September 27, 2021 8:03 am
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A strip of land 50.00 feet in width in the Southeast ?¬ of Section 3, Township 22 South, Range 3 East, NMPM, Dona Ana County, New Mexico, lying 25.00 feet on each side of the following described centerline:

Beginning at a point on the south line of said section which bears N.89?ø37ƒ??13ƒ?E., 400.80 feet from the south ?¬ corner thereof;

Thence N.37?ø04ƒ??38ƒ?E., 362.45 feet to the point of curve of a 200.00 foot radius curve to the right;

Thence on the arc of said curve 103.70 feet through a central angle of 30?ø34ƒ??03ƒ? (the chord of said curve bears N 520 21ƒ?? 41ƒ? E, 106.70 feet);

Thence N.67?ø38ƒ??44ƒ?E., 708.57 feet to the point of curve of a 200.00 foot radius curve to the left;

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ƒ??..?ÿ ƒ?? ?ÿto the north line of the southeast ?¬ of said Section 3;

Thence along said north line N.18?ø26ƒ??35ƒ?E., 236.75 feet to the East ?¬ corner of said Section 3.

The side lines of said strip are to be extended or shortened as necessary to terminate on the section lines.

Contains xxxx square feet, or yy.y acres, more or less.

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 8:22 am
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@norman-oklahoma?ÿ

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thank you.

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I'll post the assignment, then the expected results from the instructor(no names) and then you can all have at their version.?ÿ?ÿ

someday when we all can meet up again, my bar bill or coffee or even fizzy water tabs are going to be HUGE!

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Posted : September 27, 2021 8:31 am
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Upon hitting a curve, it is common to state if it is a tangent curve or a non-tangent curve.?ÿ Also, is it a curve to the left (counterclockwise) or to the right (clockwise).?ÿ This is critical for situations where the curve is damn close to being a straight line due to a HUGE radius.

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 5:47 pm
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@holy-cow?ÿ

And another beverage owed......

Yeah, it'll be good grist for my mill as I take all of the comments and create a new perspective with which to read, draft from, and write my own real descriptions eventually.

Thank you HC.

 
Posted : September 27, 2021 6:42 pm
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Wattles has a work book associated with the yellow book on descriptions. (I believe the workbook is green.)

Might be interesting for your education.

 
Posted : September 28, 2021 6:08 am
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Google "ODOT Right of Way Engineering Manual". That manual has a chapter on writing legal descriptions.?ÿ Their way is specifically geared to writing strip descriptions for right of way takings, but, nevertheless, it contains many gems that are more generally applicable.?ÿ

 
Posted : September 28, 2021 9:18 am
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@dmyhill?ÿ

I have the workbook now and a source from the bona fide publisher for the real books now too.

this was just by the seat of my pants from what little i have experienced thus far....and appreciate everyone's input....all of YOUR styles are showing and apparent, so i get to steal what i wont to augment my own.?ÿ 🙂

 
Posted : September 28, 2021 9:57 am
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@norman-oklahoma?ÿ

Wilco!

 
Posted : September 28, 2021 9:57 am
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I've been prepping an online CPD course on property descriptions, so I recently was browsing through Wattles text.?ÿ He suggests going beyond left or right and using cardinal directions.?ÿ I have always used right or left, but in looking at the example sketches in the text, I could see where the cardinal directions could be more useful in some extreme cases.

 
Posted : September 28, 2021 1:39 pm
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