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ALT0177 = ?ñ


 
Posted : November 19, 2020 2:44 pm
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@norman-oklahoma

Yes, it's kind of what I said, early on.?ÿ But I'm ok with the inconsistency of doing it differently in numbers vs words

All measurements have error, and acreage is a calculation, which in my mind is definitely worthy of a +/-.

Also, your CAD will come up with a slightly different square footage than when another surveyor punches in your plan and/or surveys it and comes up with the boundary by holding monuments.?ÿ


 
Posted : November 19, 2020 2:50 pm
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It's not always about area (which is a derived value), but when a course recites a "more or less" distance to a closing line or point, the intent is to hold the position of the established line or point.?ÿ That is, the stated distance is explicitly junior to what it ends up being to reach that end point.


 
Posted : November 19, 2020 3:27 pm
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@holy-cow

No...in your case it is never 2.54 or 2.55...truth is 2.5, any additional digits is obscuring the truth.

Not that I am always "holy" when it comes to significant digits. Certain precisions are required by code. For "more or less" or +/- to have any use, we would need to define how much more and less.


 
Posted : November 19, 2020 3:29 pm
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@warren-smith

That is always the case, right? When making a call to a bound (whether the starting point or a creek or a margin of a road) I have always taken the distance call to be "more or less" as needed to make the close. Meaning, it is implicitly "more or less" with or without those words. I don't know that making it explicit is needed. (And if it is not needed...perhaps the fact of the calling to a bound makes it explicit? Need an english teacher!)


 
Posted : November 19, 2020 3:35 pm

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Posted by: @warren-smith

when a course recites a "more or less" distance to a closing line or point,.

Not just closing point of a traverse, but any found physical point.


 
Posted : November 19, 2020 4:43 pm
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A surveyor, an engineer, and a statistician were hunting deer and they see a big buck. The surveyor takes a shot and misses 5 feet to the left; the engineer takes a shoot and misses 5 feet to the right. The statistician yells, WE GOT THAT SUCKER!


 
Posted : November 20, 2020 8:34 am
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@holy-cow?ÿ ?ÿEither you don't deal with title companies much, or you have an answer they understand about who has title to the extra 0.01 acres you surveyed.


 
Posted : November 20, 2020 9:52 am
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How about for a condo survey?

?ÿ

0.01ac is a whole condo or at least a big room.


 
Posted : November 20, 2020 10:32 am
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I use +/- values all the time. When the boundary is a water boundary, such as mean high water, mean low water, etc., the area of the property and ties from monuments to the water boundary is always +/-.

One time we were asked by a HOA that was having a beach access dispute with one of the members. It was a sandy beach area. We surveyed it, topo'd to death. Determined the horizontal location of the MHW line, we went back 2 weeks later to stake the line and the location of MHW had changed significantly. In the intervening 2 weeks we had a king tide coupled with a strong nor'easter which moved the sand around, and therefore the ownership line.?ÿ


 
Posted : November 20, 2020 12:10 pm

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Posted : November 20, 2020 2:40 pm
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