I was discussing a surveying topic with a respected colleague last night via email, and he mentioned that he had never seen the term "call" before. He was more accustomed to the term "record" in his local area of practice.
I normally have this abbreviation in my legend. After reading his email last night, it got me to thinking about the way I represent some of the data on my plats. He was complementary of some of the way I represented some of the data, but I am wondering if I could be more clear.
In my younger years of surveying, the firm I worked at, we used the terms call and measured all the time. Call being the record values from the deed of record, and measured representing the values from the current survey.
After reading my friend's email, I am considering abandoning the term "call", and adopting the term "record" for representing that data.
My legend usually looks like this for this information:
C= Call (Record)
M= Measured as per this survey
I am thinking that using this might be a little more straightforward:
R= Record (As per Record Document)
M= Measured as per this survey
I am finding myself changing the way I am representing the way I show information on my surveys lately, and am incorporating different requirements from the different states I am licensed in on all of my surveys to help make them more informative.
What do you think?
Evolution is a natural thing. Anything you can do to make your surveys better is good evolution.
Dave,
You are right. I provided a courtesy copy of an old survey to a client today, and I looked at it compared to the surveys that I draw now. I have changed things considerably.
I think we all could say the same thing.
Jimmy
Around here it is pretty much standard to use (R1), (R2), (R3), ect. to reference record information on a boundary survey. There would also be a legend associated with those references. Almost all of this type information around here would generally come from a public record of some type, thus the term "Record".
After some thought, I suppose it could work either way.
When my daughter was around 6 or 7 years old, I came home from a pretty bad day at work and I overheard heard my wife tell her that Dad had a bad day, so be nice to him tonight. She came and got in my lap and asked "Did you have a bad day today Daddy?" When I replied yes, she said "Did you learn anything new?" This kind of threw me off, but after thinking about it a minute, I replied to her that yes, I did learn something new, to which she replied, "How can it be a bad day if you learned something new?" I have never forgotten that and use that to remind me that we never stop learning, or least should not stop trying to learn.
As for looking at one of my old plats, a wise man once told me that the worst looking plat you could ever see is one that you drew yourself 25 years ago. I'm starting to realize he was a lot wiser than I originally thought. 😉
They are precious aren't they? It's amazing how in an instant they can change our perspective on things.
It's nice to know that we can all learn more as we grow older and gain more experience. I look at plats I drew when I first became licensed, and the plats I draw now, and it amazes me how much my styles have changed, and the amount of detail and information that goes into them now.
I think one of the things that has helped me grow as a surveyor is the amount of information we share here on this forum, as well as the old RPLS board. The amount of experience and knowledge that we share collectively here is amazing.
> Around here it is pretty much standard to use (R1), (R2), (R3), ect. to reference record information on a boundary survey. There would also be a legend associated with those references. Almost all of this type information around here would generally come from a public record of some type, thus the term "Record".
Yes, showing the survey data taken from some instrument of record and referencing the source is the superior practice. On many tracts, there will be several different records to be shown for purposes of comparison, and those are usually more efficiently made in a table, but the R1, R2, etc convention still works very well. All record data, whether acreage, bearing, distance, or whatever is in parentheses and identified as to source. If it isn't, it's assumed that it is the result of the survey represented. Adding the notation "measured" is unnecessary baggage and is incorrect to the extent that the distance wasn't actually directly measured, but was calculated from actual measurements.
I would avoid using the C. In many locals that would be assumed to be calculated. I agree that "measured" is unnessisary. It is called a survey, so certain assumptions can be made.
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I actually use the word "Deed" or "Filed Map" compared with "survey". If it gets complicated enough I have called out the book and page or filed map number right on the plan (in cases where there is more than one). Something like 'Stone Found (DB xxx P xxx)' I feel this helps illustrate why the map distance may depart from that in the record.
Call vs Record is something that struck me as a regional preference. One of my mentors that is in Memphis is from Illinois, and prefers "Call". Another mentor started his career in Missouri then went to Arizona and Nevada before returning to the Mid-South. He prefers "Record". I personally prefer "Record" and stipulate from which record document I gleaned that information.
Around here there are a few surveyors that can measure exactly to the hundredth of the record distance and to the second of the bearing of record. Hardly ever do I see a measured bearing and distance from them.
I can measure the same line as them and have a difference. I check my equipment regularly (twice a year) on a calibration baseline and I repeat those published distances pretty well. It must be me, I'm sure.
SD
I use Record and Measured. I used to use R1, R2, etc. for different sets of recorded data until one day I found myself adding an R6 to a line and realized how stupid and confusing that was. I know try to limit myself to only showing the most recent Record data. If I have multiple documents I simply list their recording info in a table title "Documents Examined" or something similar.
Also common:
()=reference 1
(())=reference 2
I've done D1 for Deeds and S1 for Surveys.
Would "record call" be a better term.
