Darn, you beat me to it!
I think things are a little differant today. The younger folks are looking for a job. One that pays well right now. They are not as focused on finding the firm they can workf for over 20 years or so, or the supreme benefit package. They are not looking for a "career". It's all the dollars in the back pocket right now.
I've been at this mess for about 45 years now. The current company has let me hang around for 35 years. Before that there were only 2 other employers (not counting the Army.).
People don't think that way anymore. But then, if you start thinking like me, you too will be headed for "the home". 😛
There are probably a million reasons for being short term. Somebody explain to me why I spent 16 years at my last job. 😀
> Best way to weed them out quick is to tell them to bring thier calulator for our standard party chief test , most will come clean before they get there and only the qualified will show up .
> David
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One of my old employers did this on every interview. He sat you down and gave an HP41 and had 2 trig problems and gave you half an hour to do it.
The second part of the test was drafting, he gave you field notes and asked you to plot and draft. It really sorted out the Bull Sheet artists. Because talk is really cheap and anyone can mask their resume to make it appear kosher, the honest ones call it like they see it.
It also comes down to the breadth and depth of your experience. You can have 20 years experience or 1 years experience 20 times over. I can't see how in this day in age a person can become a well rounded surveyor working under the same person their whole career, it can happen but it's gonna require a commitment to outside education.
Ralph
Vern,
You're right (imho) there are millions of reasons for being short term. In the last 4-5 years there have been so many layoffs and folks drifting to find anything as an income. In my opinion that should be taken into consideration while interviewing any potential candidate. I spent 20 years at one firm. In 30 years I have had 5 jobs and today unemployable...it's life. Hang onto your 16 year job...:)
Many of us have seen exactly the same. The true and real shame is that many companies actively discriminate against the unemployed. "If you don't have a job, there is a reason other than the economy" is the attitude. The expected standards for hiring (more degrees and more experience for less pay) are being raised and discrimination running out of control.
Isnt it up to whoever makes the decision. A warning sign of a lot of employers when considering surveyors is unfounded. Like many posted previously, a lot of survey work is project to project. Having worked for a number of employers may reflect the ability to adapt, to complete notes and collect data the way you want them to; rather than someone who has been in one place and thinks they have the 'one correct way'.
lack of references at credible sources is a big warning sign, but one must consider this field, especially nowadays.
or for the rodman, put a piece of flagging in a swamp, line up all the applicants and give the job to the first to return the flagging...make sure there are thorns and poison ivy present.
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”
Words I've lived by since I read them.
25 yrs working for the same company.
Not for me.
Retired now and can literally throw the bow lines off whenever I want 🙂
If it's the right company, that time passes before you know it.
> “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”
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> Words I've lived by since I read them.
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> 25 yrs working for the same company.
> Not for me.
> Retired now and can literally throw the bow lines off whenever I want 🙂
:good: :good: :good:
Awesome Statement!
You need to feel the Fear and do it anyway.
Cheers
Ralph
True point.
Some are happy living that life.
But for me it was about seeing the world while I was single and workin,thus reflected in my 2 yr stints at companies.
I made my intentions clear upon hiring.
No regret's.
And like most good Sailor's I never rely on GPS.
Paper charts,sextants and Celestral Navigation will get you anywhere 🙂
"People don't think that way anymore. But then, if you start thinking like me, you too will be headed for "the home".
I'll meet you in the day room.
Don
Was interviewing once for an engineering job when the future boss asked me what a BTU was. Without blinking, I told him precisely the full term and the amount of energy represented. He was thrilled. One of that department's main functions was energy-related. He had interviewed several people with claims of having degrees in mechanical engineering who could not come up with an answer to this extremely basic question.
A couple of years later a fellow was hired directly by the Director of Engineering and sent to our department. He supposedly held a degree in mechanical engineering from a school in India. The Director was a native of India too, but, his degree was legitimately obtained in the US. Within a month we sent the new hire on down the road, much to the chagrin of the Director. The new hire had obviously never been exposed to sophomore level engineering physics or the first practical application course in engineering, statics, another sophomore level class. It was obvious that his "degree" was pure fiction.
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Mr Cow
> Was interviewing once for an engineering job when the future boss asked me what a BTU was. Without blinking, I told him precisely the full term and the amount of energy represented. He was thrilled. One of that department's main functions was energy-related. He had interviewed several people with claims of having degrees in mechanical engineering who could not come up with an answer to this extremely basic question.
You're extremely appropriate comments have gone un-noticed. Some things are better left unsaid, I suppose.
I'll add one bit of experience to your fortunate opportunity. The interviewer (boss) asked where I expected to be in 5-10 years....
....without even blinking, I just said "..I want your job...". (circa 1979) I only made it about 3 years before I moved on, but got great experience from a mentor we all wish we had. He has since passed on, as did his partner.
Funny part is the guy who was my rod man back then, is now part owner of the company. We still share many jokes & life stories. Haven't seen him in 8 or 10 yrs, but I know life is good in his world.
>Any 'warning signs' you have picked up on?
1. Resume hand written on Zig-Zag paper
2. Previously worked at LandPro Surveying and Mapping (you always have to tell those guys "I don't care what your last boss did, we aren't taking a two hour lunch at a strip club")
> >Any 'warning signs' you have picked up on?
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> 1. Resume hand written on Zig-Zag paper
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> 2. Previously worked at LandPro Surveying and Mapping (you always have to tell those guys "I don't care what your last boss did, we aren't taking a two hour lunch at a strip club")
look, the accountant said if they had a lunch buffet we could write it off as a business expense. it is either give it to the single moms at the shoe show or give it to uncle sam. what would you do?
snoop, you forgot the ever essential......:-P
God bless the IRS. Hey, that kinda rhymes, almost like a cheer during a football game.
god bless the irs..god bless the irs... as they fluff their pom poms, spin their batons & do cartwheels
oh yea.....;-)
