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(@richard-imrie)
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Years ago, I read Bob Geldof's autobiography wherein he described his experiences in USA for the Live Aid gig (I think) and he noted that his name was pronounced "Barb" - presumably that was in California.

Anyway, here's the boundary pegs down this way, and the wooden ones do appear to match the description of a stob.

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Posted : September 16, 2020 12:49 pm
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S. Carolina surveyor I worked with called them pickets. Regional thing I guess. Either sounds better to me than a 'stick'.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 1:23 pm
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When we used to drive miles and miles of blue top hubs, we referred to ourselves as "just stob drivers".

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 3:02 pm
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Ok here is a more streamlined version of my question yesterday.?ÿ Attached is our plat.?ÿ Where the yellow circle is is a 3/4" metal stob just like the other corners.?ÿ The only problem is that it is not on the survey and does not mark the corner of any lot.?ÿ It is just like a midway point.?ÿ It is 1/3 of the way between 2 corners.?ÿ I tried to see if there was another one 2/3 in between the corners but could not find one.?ÿ I figured maybe they marked every 100 feet since it is a 300 foot line.

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Posted : September 16, 2020 4:06 pm
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@lithicacid326

Assuming that those lines and dots on the left are traverse (and not drawn to scale), could it be one of the traverse stations?

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 4:18 pm
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I thought that too but that is the woods/cleared margin for the swamplands that roughly parallel the back line of our lot.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 4:49 pm
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It's not uncommon to find rebars or pipes randomly stuck in the ground, put there for all sorts of reasons, goat stake, sprinkler head stake, ground rod. Pipes are commonly used to hold up trail steps. Also horseshoe pit will have two metal stakes.

i vote for it most likely means nothing.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 5:37 pm
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I have had clients specifically request that certain points be marked along a boundary line while re-surveying an existing tract or when creating a new tract.?ÿ They need it to simplify some project that may have in mind, such as building a pool in one corner of an oddly-shaped tract.?ÿ Those extra markers aren't vital to the survey but can be very helpful to the client.

In my part of the world many boundaries are a half mile long.?ÿ Normally, one cannot see the entire distance from a single spot so adding some line markers is quite common.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 5:48 pm
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I found this lot's location.?ÿ The view on Google Earth makes me wonder how close the private drive along the north side of this lot is to the actual boundary, and whether its construction might have wiped out the NW monument. Edit: Doesn't look very close on GE.

The county GIS offers no clue as to the "extra" monument along the west side.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 6:00 pm
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Has anyone tried to run a closure on this lot?

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 6:09 pm
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@ekillo

Excellent idea, but turns out not to help. I get a closure of 0.006 ft.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 6:27 pm
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The seemingly surplus iron found along the west line may be marking the intersection of a line dividing lots to the west of the subject property.?ÿ

For the Record, I see "EIP", not EIB. Existing Iron Pin. Or Existing Iron Pipe.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 6:31 pm
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@bill93
I can't imagine how you did that with the information we've been shown.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 6:32 pm
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Private message to Mark explains it. I didn't want to post the details here, but indeed there was enough information to combine with what you can find in multiple types of searches.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 6:46 pm
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It is possible, but in in the interests of privacy I'd humbly suggest that the method and thus location isn't disclosed.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 6:47 pm
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@bill93
That's pretty good spywork. I think I'll delete the pic lol!

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 7:14 pm
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@bill93
The neighbors have a boatload of rocks along their perimeter. They are about 4-5 inches thick and cover the ground. Is this enough interference to prevent my metal detector from finding the corner marker?

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 7:57 pm
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@bill93
Those rocks shouldn't be a problem, unless they have a lot of iron in them. In my area (Oregon) some basalts will make the pin finder sing.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 8:11 pm
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Unless the rocks are iron-bearing, they won't do any more than increase your detector's distance from the target.

You should be able to tape those distances within a fraction of a foot so not much area to search.

Surveyors use a magnetic locator which responds to the concentration of the earth's magnetic field into the iron rod/pipe (difference between two magnetometer sensors in the wand at different heights). That is much more sensitive to a long iron pipe than a treasure hunter machine that responds to the metal surface area facing it from the end of a pipe.

 
Posted : September 16, 2020 8:16 pm
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Imagine you pull a hundred year old map at the couthouse. Corners are marked EIP. On the ground you find a pincushion of an iron pin, a 1 inch iron pipe and a two inch iron pipe. None are 'spot on' with record and no possession is evident. If you short your client they are not eligible to develop thier lot. If you short the neighbor they cannot develop. Pick the middle and nobody can. What do you do?

Our work has real world impacts. Our measurements aren't perfect, but the monumemts and records we leave should be unimpeachable. Describe the size tyoe and markings so they can be found and identified.?ÿ

 
Posted : September 17, 2020 9:22 am
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