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bill93
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We had almost this same discussion in 2012 and 2013 where somebody was trying to hold 2 cm accuracy on aquifer monitoring wells over quite a few miles of South Dakota, and generally surveyors thought it was not practical.

The geoid model is so much better today and digital levels are good, but it would be a major campaign effort and expensive to even make a decent effort over significant distances.


 
Posted : June 22, 2023 9:44 pm
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Me thinks thats not an auto level youre using if you have a receiver on the rod. 

ah, interesting.  We have a Lasermark LMH self-leveling Rotary Laser.  The manual shows lots of pics of construction sites. 

 


 
Posted : June 23, 2023 6:41 am
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@larryj 

Wrong tool for the job sir.

Leveling Accuracy:
LMH-C
LMH, LMH-GR
±3/32-in at 100-ft (±3mm at 30m)
±1/16-in at 100-ft (±1.5mm at 30m)

Leveling Type: Electronic Self-Leveling ±5° (±3° LMH-C)


 
Posted : June 23, 2023 7:42 am
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I would at least invest in an auto level, moving from those to a digital level was a big improvement for us, but if you're only doing small sites then an auto level such as a Wild NA1 is probably inexpensive and worth every penny. Use it with a really good level rod and your accuracy will skyrocket. To get really tight you need to move to a digital level/expensive rod, probably not needed for your application. 


 
Posted : June 23, 2023 9:12 am
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That sounds like you are using a construction laser, not a survey grade level.  A construction laser has a precision of maybe 1/16" in 100 feet (50mm/1000m). A survey grade digital level will have an accuracy spec of around 1mm per 1000 meters.   

Although...I had one grizzled old grade hop that would pull out his own lovingly cared for laser level that was calibrated only by him and never by those "idiots at the survey supply". 

Had a site about 1000'x1000' and he would transfer accurate grades all over...but he was a unicorn.

First time I met him, he had half the site laid out. I showed up to do some staking, and he said, "You had those two stakes up on that hill, so I pulled off them and laid everything out." And...it was all within a few tenths horizontal and a tenth vertical, which for rough grading is spot on. 

Those grade hops do not exist any more.


 
Posted : June 23, 2023 3:02 pm

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 Wild NA1

 

No one ever regretted buying one of those.

 


 
Posted : June 23, 2023 3:04 pm
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The manual shows lots of pics of construction sites. 

???


 
Posted : June 23, 2023 3:08 pm
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I would want any prospective service provider to indicate how they will validate their results? Providing plans using a priori error and accuracy values is not enough.

 

 


 
Posted : June 23, 2023 9:32 pm
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