Immediate position for NC Reg. Land Surveyor

> This was on line via Google
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> Engineering & Land Surveying firm in Eliz. City has immediate position for NC Reg. Land Surveyor. Experience desired in boundary, topographic & Alta surveys, construction staking, flood certificates, developing proposals, Civil 3D, TDS GPS, & robotics. Compensation & benefits commensurate with experience. Interested individuals should send resume with salry & work history & minimum of 3 work references to [email protected]
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> Looks like Spell Check needed ?
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> Cheers
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> Derek

Also must be a firm with little or no knowledge of North Carolina surveying rules and regulations.

First, there is no such thing as a Registered Land Surveyor here. Dogs are registered. Surveyors are licensed.

Second, if they are a Corporation that offers surveying services they must be 2/3rds owned by North Carolina licensees. (There are a very few exceptions but in general, that rule is the law.)

Best of luck to them.

Larry P
Licensed North Carolina Land Surveyor

Is an Engineering and surveying company that is owned by a sole PE not owned 2/3rds by licensees???
Or vice versa???

Dogs and Surveyors are licensed in Louisiana.
Surveyors by the state and dogs by the Parish.
Surveyors need to take CEUs and dogs need to have shots.
At times, I wish it was vice versa. 😉

> Is an Engineering and surveying company that is owned by a sole PE not owned 2/3rds by licensees???
> Or vice versa???

All I have for you on that question is a "my opinion only" answer. This may or may not be the definitive view of the board.

As our board governs both Surveyors and Engineers, an Engineering company owned by the Engineers would be allowed to also provide Surveying services. The Engineer owner(s) are licensees of our board. Of course, they would have to have a licensed surveyor on staff to be in responsible charge of the surveying work.

Larry P

Larry P

Like I heard a wise man say, "My gun is licensed, my dog is registered, I'm a PROFESSIONAL".

If you read the wording on the license in Georgia (at least mine anyway) it says "You are Registered as a 'Land Surveyor'".

Andy

Larry P

> Like I heard a wise man say, "My gun is licensed, my dog is registered, I'm a PROFESSIONAL".
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> If you read the wording on the license in Georgia (at least mine anyway) it says "You are Registered as a 'Land Surveyor'".
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> Andy

I hear ya Andy. I mention this because it was more than 15 years ago that our board changed all their rules and statutes to replace Registered with Licensed. More than 10 years after that there were so called professionals who were still calling themselves Registered Land Surveyors. That fact alone told me they were paying no attention whatsoever to changes in the rules.

In the big scheme of things it matters very little. When a NC professional uses the term Registered I just wonder if they are keeping up with anything.

Larry P

Larry P

§ 89C-23. Unlawful to practice engineering or land surveying without licensure; unlawful use of title or terms; penalties; Attorney General to be legal adviser.
Any person who shall practice, or offer to practice, engineering or land surveying in this State without first being licensed in accordance with the provisions of this Chapter, or any person, firm, partnership, organization, association, corporation, or other entity using or employing the words "engineer" or "engineering" or "professional engineer" or "professional engineering" or "land surveyor" or "land surveying," or any modification or derivative of those words in its name or form of business or activity except as licensed under this Chapter or in pursuit of activities exempted by this Chapter, or any person presenting or attempting to use the certificate of licensure or the seal of another, or any person who shall give any false or forged evidence of any kind to the Board or to any member of the Board in obtaining or attempting to obtain a certificate of licensure, or any person who shall falsely impersonate any other licensee of like or different name, or any person who shall attempt to use an expired or revoked or nonexistent certificate of licensure, or who shall practice or offer to practice when not qualified,or any person who falsely claims that the person is registered under this Chapter, or any person who shall violate any of the provisions of this Chapter, in addition to injunctive procedures set out hereinbefore, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. In no event shall there be representation of or holding out to the public of any engineering expertise by unlicensed persons. It shall be the duty of all duly constituted officers of the State and all political
subdivisions of the State to enforce the provisions of this Chapter and to prosecute any persons violating them.

They missed one Larry. But this is basically a sematical exercise, licensed or regitered still holds the same meaning to young and old alike. I find it less of a problem as compared to the Surveyor - Geomatic issue

Larry P

> But this is basically a sematical exercise, licensed or regitered still holds the same meaning to young and old alike. I find it less of a problem as compared to the Surveyor - Geomatic issue

As to semantics, I see "registering" as signing in or putting my name on a register. In surveying, I might be registered as a land survey intern, but not licensed to do anything I couldn't do without the LSI certificate. If I am licensed to do something, I have been granted the authorization or the "permission" to do it. You have a license to drive or a license to practice a certain field. It is generally a permission to do something for protection of the public after "proving" your ability.

Larry P

like I said, you are just entering a semantical arguement here which has no bearing on the meaning.
Take an RN for example. A registerd nurse needs a state license to work (at least,in most states that I know of). So should we start calling
them Licensed Nurses instead.

I see PLS,RPLS,RLS and other designations. We have a board orf registration here but I don't know what CO has. I see where NC calls it a 'board of examiners' which I find a lil' hazy in definition, IMO.
I don't want to start chasing each other tails on this. I found it interesting that the wordsmiths did edit/purge the word "registered' in their laws but left one cite to the word in one of the most important laws.

Robert

> like I said, you are just entering a semantical arguement here which has no bearing on the meaning.

I said it was my take on the semantics of it... I did catch your drift,

But:
Semantical argument, No bearing on the meaning?

definitions:
"semantics": the study of the meaning.

registered: (no. 1 definition) a : having the owner's name entered in a register

license:
a : permission to act b : freedom of action
2a : a permission granted by competent authority to engage in a business or occupation or in an activity otherwise unlawful

Definition of LICENSED PRACTICAL NURSE
: a person who has undergone training and obtained a license (as from a state) conferring authorization to provide routine care for the sick

Registered also means what you say, but only a secondary or third definition. "licensed" has a lesser chance of being misinterpreted.

Robert

> > like I said, you are just entering a semantical arguement here which has no bearing on the meaning.
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> I said it was my take on the semantics of it... I did catch your drift,
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> But:
> Semantical argument, No bearing on the meaning?
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> definitions:
> "semantics": the study of the meaning.
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> registered: (no. 1 definition) a : having the owner's name entered in a register
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> license:
> a : permission to act b : freedom of action
> 2a : a permission granted by competent authority to engage in a business or occupation or in an activity otherwise unlawful
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> Definition of LICENSED PRACTICAL NURSE
> : a person who has undergone training and obtained a license (as from a state) conferring authorization to provide routine care for the sick
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> Registered also means what you say, but only a secondary or third definition. "licensed" has a lesser chance of being misinterpreted.

RNs and LPNs are two differnt occupations.

Registered Nurses make 4 or 5 times as much as LPNs.
I hope licensed and registered surveyors make equitable salaries. 🙂
let's drop it..
I don't know what was the thinking in NC. Maybe they wanted everyone to buy new seals and keep it uniform

Robert

> let's drop it..

You got it. I should have dropped it before my first post. 😛

> I don't know what was the thinking in NC. Maybe they wanted everyone to buy new seals and keep it uniform

It seemed to happen all over the place. You're right; you still had to pass the exams regardless of the semantics.

I thought even more silly was them adding the word here (in CO) of "Professional" to the title. We just had to call ourselves professionals because no one saw us as one without it. Don't think it helped much.

I am licensed in five states, from the wall certificates:

CA = Licensed as a Land Surveyor
ID = Registered as a Professional Land Surveyor
NV = Licensed as a Professional Land Surveyor
OR = Registered as a Professional Land Surveyor
WA = Registered as a Professional Land Surveyor

No consistency in even adjacent states, while the NC advertisement in this case may be technically wrong, I can see where the confusion might arise! Is it really important? Probably not, but it would seem consistency might be good for the profession? I use the term "Professional Land Surveyor" (PLS) universally, probably technically I am wrong when presenting myself as such in California, haven't lost much sleep over it yet.

SHG

> I am licensed in five states, from the wall certificates:
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> CA = Licensed as a Land Surveyor
> ID = Registered as a Professional Land Surveyor
> NV = Licensed as a Professional Land Surveyor
> OR = Registered as a Professional Land Surveyor
> WA = Registered as a Professional Land Surveyor
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> No consistency in even adjacent states, while the NC advertisement in this case may be technically wrong, I can see where the confusion might arise! Is it really important? Probably not, but it would seem consistency might be good for the profession? I use the term "Professional Land Surveyor" (PLS) universally, probably technically I am wrong when presenting myself as such in California, haven't lost much sleep over it yet.
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> SHG

Same here only 6 states:

TX = Registered as a Professional Land Surveyor (formerly Registered Public Surveyor)(use RPLS)
CA = Licensed as a Professional Land Surveyor (use PLS)(1990)
OK = Licensed(formerly Registered) as a Professional Land Surveyor (RPLS is still acceptable)
KS = Licensed as a Land Surveyor (use LS)
AZ = Registered Land Surveyor (use RLS)
NM = registered to practice Professional Surveying (use PS)

Can get confusing at times.