You can tell which one came later because it's literally on top of the older one.
A better term would be "Witless Monument."
Jeff
I have had more than one meeting to question why a long-standing monument was rejected due to an 'incorrect' math position. It takes quite a bit for me to reject undisturbed monuments. By the same token, there are times it's the only choice.
In 'peeling the onion' of a boundary it is not unusual for a boundary to end on a long established line. Some hold the 'monuments over math' to the point they will bend a 100 year old line that is senior to everything that touches it. I take issue with that approach.
Rather than set a pin 0.2' away from the one in the ground I will note the distance to the senior line / corner. We are a recording state so the information is useful.
Witless Monuments
I like that. This always gets me wound up so ... yeah witless fits perfectly.:beer:
> Geez That is really dumb. To follow his logic,
> he could have used the found monument as the witness corner.:-|
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> There is a surveyor locally who will reference corners found in very close proximity to his opinion of where the corner is supposed to be.
> He will not pincushion in the dirt only on paper. It doesn't due the land owner much good and it perplexes any surveyor following his work.
> I guess the title/closing attorneys kept happy.
R.Hill
Sorry don't mean to beat a dead horse here but I'm gona have to rant. I run into the same thing. Lot cnrs on plans by another surveyor that are pincushioned so to speak but only on paper. Showing the monument he found but noting a tie course under 0.1' to the actual cnr, but not every cnr. I'm assuming he draws the ref deed or plan and chooses to hold the best fitting corners, and tie courses the rest. I've been to some of these sites and the cnrs that he chooses not to hold look just as original as the cnrs he holds old ip's etc. and its not like there leaning or bent. I'm talking 3/4" solid monuments a tenth or two above grade. What happens if he happens to survey the abutting lot and then maybe the next one down...
I am not a licensed surveyor but have been working in the trade for about 14 yrs. I find this to be a pretty easy concept/rule to follow holding the monument over the measurement.
Doesn't he realize what hell this causes for the rest of us. He is fairly newly licensed but i have to assume he has to have reviewed ethics and standards, or at the very least read some of Jeff Lucas's articales.
I run into the guy every once in a while but as i said I'm not licensed so I don't bring it up.
I just don't understand why why why:-S
Sorry for the long rant.
MAG-EYE over&out
