Notifications
Clear all

Who gets the voids?

19 Posts
14 Users
0 Reactions
3 Views
(@holy-cow)
Posts: 25292
Topic starter
 

A widow lady in 1904 owned the west half of the southeast quarter of a section next to a growing city. ?ÿShe sells a tract to a developer who then plats an addition to the city containing a dozen blocks with alleys and dedicated streets. ?ÿOver several years this process is repeated with tracts of varying sizes to result in eight different additions. She also sold individual tracts one at a time near these additions, typically about 50 feet by 150 feet, but definitely variable in dimensions. ?ÿShe sold 30 or 40 of those until about 1917. ?ÿHere's the rub. ?ÿWherever a street in one of the additions could, theoretically, be extended someday was not included in any of these little tracts. ?ÿThis produced strips 40 or 60 feet in width between rows of tracts that looked like streets but which were never conveyed to either the city or the surrounding county or to anyone. ?ÿNumerous tracts were technically landlocked but apparently the owners did access their tracts by some means. ?ÿThis was the poor side of town so many of the homes were poorly constructed and many of the tracts have no houses today, over 100 years later. Part of this area is now inside the city while the remainder is not. ?ÿGenerally, no paved streets have been installed in these void areas. ?ÿA couple have gravel roads that were probably improved by adjoiners in need of a reliable roadbed. ?ÿThe street-like voids are not being taxed, mainly because they don't know who owns them. ?ÿIs it possible that the heirs of two elderly old maids (in 1918) are the true owners?

 
Posted : 29/08/2018 5:49 pm
(@peter-ehlert)
Posts: 2951
 

I would say the heirs own those strips. Never sold, still in the ownership. Seems simple... 😉

Implied easements burdening them? Yup.
Do you have statutes on landlocked parcels?

a real can of worms you have there.

 
Posted : 29/08/2018 6:43 pm
(@thebionicman)
Posts: 4437
Customer
 

Those parcels are too big to dream of strips and gores. The heirs will likely have the best shot, except where fact patterns may have transferred title by operation(s) of law. The practical answer might be whoever can afford a quiet title action...

 
Posted : 29/08/2018 6:45 pm
(@a-harris)
Posts: 8761
 

They are still strips of land for public and or private access.

The ones that are all grown up are still the legal access to probable land locked tracts even if they are all owned by the same person because it is possible that they would be sold off again to others.

I know the process in Texas to obtain the land and it would take a period public notice and attempt to locate and notify long lost heirs and court action. A person would really want to own the land because it would not be so cheap.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 4:50 am
(@duane-frymire)
Posts: 1924
 

Hmm, abandoned real estate (land only) usually escheats to the State.?ÿ Generally can't abandon real property (house, riparian rights). State could then transfer to another municipal entity or sell it.?ÿ Since 1918 is a tong time, I would bet your State escheat statute could be used to clear it up.?ÿ

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 5:09 am
(@peter-ehlert)
Posts: 2951
 

Did the Owner abandon it?
Maybe the grand plan of private roads and gated community was not implemented before she died... and her heirs were not privy to that plan.
We will not know that answer until we to cross over and discuss it with her 😉

I would avoid any court action (quiet title included). The courts usually make nobody happy.
Work with the heirs, educate them... lay out the options.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 5:21 am
(@howard-surveyor)
Posts: 163
Registered
 

I had a project with a similar situation of an area . The parcels were described with perimeter descriptions and then " known as Lot X, Block X in the unrecorded Plat of XXX". No drawing of the Plat has ever been found, no street dedications until the 1960's when the town established a sewer system and landowners granted streets. I was doing some work and noticed a void in the deeds between two houses a client owned?ÿso advised him to file a quiet title action with the courts. The attorney contacted the town and they claimed title to the parcel,?ÿstating it was a street and even though it wasn't dedicated, the intention was for public use and access. Note: the parcel was 40' wide and about 80' long from a?ÿdeeded street to a cliff and the town had granted the client's father a building permit in the 1940s so a 2 story garage filled most of the area (produced as evidence at the hearing). The town attorney hadn't even walked the 6 blocks from city hall to look at the area nor looked at the exhibit maps we provided, just stated it would need to go through a street vacation process and kept stating our client couldn't file an adverse claim against the town. The judge disagreed with the town because they couldn't prove any public monies had been used to open the street?ÿand issued the building permit. The entire process took about a year which wasted time and money, public and private.

I feel any voids or deed gaps should be addressed when we find them, ?ÿno matter how old, and whether heirs can be found or not.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 6:00 am
(@mark-mayer)
Posts: 3363
Registered
 

I'm waiting for Mike Berry to chime in.

It seems from your description of the circumstances that these strips were clearly intended to be streets and not reserved for some other purpose. There is an Oregon case dealing with a similar circumstance.?ÿ In that case the streets had been properly dedicated but had been vacated by the time predecessors in interest took title. The court put title to the roadway in the adjoining property owner, saying:

"...in the absence of an express reservation of the title to the strip it may be assumed that the grantor intends the title to pass. This implication is made on the ground that the grantor would normally have no use for the small narrow strips of land constituting the street portion of his lot. It has also been said that this rule of construction is founded on the policy of discouraging vexatious litigation...."?ÿ ?ÿ

The more recent Oregon case of Howe v. Greenleaf?ÿcontinues on the same vein.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 6:09 am
(@holy-cow)
Posts: 25292
Topic starter
 

Thanks, guys. ?ÿMy interest in this does not involve a survey. ?ÿCertain levels of bad behavior is happening within one of these strips. ?ÿThe local law enforcement agencies are preparing to address those problems. ?ÿHowever, the form of the charges depends on the ownership status of the site.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 6:33 am
(@scott-ellis)
Posts: 1181
Registered
 

How does Kansas do their mineral rights? If there is oil under the strip of land then you may see a Court fight.

You can try to figure out the Intent of her selling the various tracts with various road widths, which may or may not prove she wanted the land to be public roads.

You can find out who has been paying the taxes of the stripes since 1918.

I can see the heirs having a say in the matter, and could make a point they have a better claim to the land then the City and or County.?ÿ

I do feel the strip has a public access easement, but that doesnt mean the land is public or city land.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 7:05 am
(@aliquot)
Posts: 2318
Registered
 
Posted by: thebionicman

Those parcels are too big to dream of strips and gores. The heirs will likely have the best shot, except where fact patterns may have transferred title by operation(s) of law. The practical answer might be whoever can afford a quiet title action...

These are exactly the kinds of parcels the doctrine of strips and gores is ment to address. Often a land surveyor can apply the doctarain as appropriate; however, in this case there is a lack of clarity in the intentions, since the roads were never dedicated. A court would be required to apply to the doctarine here.

Ideally the heirs could be tracked down and quit claim deeds could be obtained, then attorneys and and judges could be avoided.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 7:35 am
(@dougie)
Posts: 7889
Registered
 

This ain't Texas...

But still a good argument:

The requirements for applying the strip and gore doctrine are as follows: It is the court's conclusion that this doctrine was conceived and intended to apply to relatively narrow strips of land, small in size and value in comparison to the adjoining tract conveyed by the grantor. In these instances, when it is apparent that the narrow strip has ceased to be of benefit or importance to the grantor of the larger tract, it can be presumed that the grantor intended to convey such a strip. The strip and gore doctrine requires the strip (1) to be small in comparison to the land conveyed, (2) to be adjacent to or surrounded by the land conveyed, (3) to belong to the grantor at the time of conveyance, and (4) to be of insignificant or little practical value. Although case law has stated the fourth requirement is that the strip has to be of insignificant or little practical value, the court believe the fourth requirement should be stated as in other case law: the strip has ceased to be of benefit or importance to the grantor of the larger tract.[Escondido Servs.,LLC v. VKM Holdings, LP, 2010 Tex. App. LEXIS 4260 (Tex. App. Eastland June 3, 2010)]

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 7:51 am
(@thebionicman)
Posts: 4437
Customer
 

Strips and gores is not intended to quiet title to what could be valuable land. I got the impression some of these strips could be buildable lots or street access for a future subdivision.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 9:08 am
(@charles-l-dowdell)
Posts: 817
 

I don't see where anyone mentions what is in the documents pertainong to wills and estate distribution regarding the heirs.

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 9:42 am
(@aliquot)
Posts: 2318
Registered
 

If they are buildable lots, then you are right, but I get the impression that building on the "strips" would block access to landlocked parcels, and there is likely some sort of easement across them. If that is the case the value is low and the doctrine would apply.?ÿ

The answer lies in the details. Either way, I wouldn't be making a call on this on my own.?ÿ

?ÿ

 
Posted : 30/08/2018 10:04 am
Page 1 / 2