Recently I have found a couple of section corners that have not been in the best shape. Today I dug up this one.
Terrible. It has definitely seen battle. This monument is probably 12'-15' south of an east / west asphalt road that is pretty well traveled. I imagine it got it's latest look from some construction in the right of way of said road, if not then most likely when the town built the road. I looked through the records today and found no references to this corner, only the CCR filed in 1995. I am finding that a good majority of the state plane coordinates on these corners in Palm Beach County were run through a field traverse and not with GPS. 
Love them blank witness trees.
Here is the sheet with the references. Not sure how I did not find this earlier... I could blame it on the sun I guess... Either way, in the field the CBS residence called for in the reference is gated and surrounded by hedges. Both sand pines are long since gone and the barbed wire fence is a 6' tall chain link coated with black sealer.
First I see some probable scrivener errors. I believe he was tying to sand piles not sand pines.
As to the building ties, an ortho referenced photo and tax infr on the building dimensions should get you with 0.5'
As to the Florida CCR, can anybody explain what a Techinical Standard is? Is it worth 5 cents?
Paul in PA
Reflectorless will get the house corners.
Paul in PA, post: 371532, member: 236 wrote: First I see some probable scrivener errors. I believe he was tying to sand piles not sand pines.
As to the building ties, an ortho referenced photo and tax infr on the building dimensions should get you with 0.5'
As to the Florida CCR, can anybody explain what a Techinical Standard is? Is it worth 5 cents?
Paul in PA
Sand pine is a common Florida tree that grows in hot, sandy, beach type habitats. Florida's Nature has a nice write up about the species along with other natural Florida flora. Typically in an area such as this, especially at this time, these trees would have been an ideal spot for a "PK -NTT" , or a PK nail and tin tab, a 2" diameter thin washer as a reference point. Note that the references are from 1982 and the filed CCR is from 1995 where the surveyor puts a line through the "accessories verified on" line.
This is a typical Sand Pine and at the time this was reference the area looked much like this. Also note the '82 sheet, noting the "Pine woods". Also, within .5' would only get me to the hole this was buried in. This monument was about 1.5' deep. We did tie it in today with one 60 second observation where the steel enters the concrete which seemed to check pretty good, (.08 N and .05 E). More observations would be needed and more field work done to prove it out, however today was more of a recon type day.
As a side note to this particular corner and thread, the monument shown in the thread "Angry Client and Irrefutable Evidence" is the north 1/2 of the adjacent section 20. Below is the aerial of the area from GE with an approx' measure from location to location and attached is an image of the 1/2 corner associated to the line.
I love when non-FL surveyors chime in about FL surveying...lol. Good ol' sand pines, gotta love em'. That is about the worst CCR I think I've ever seen. Most CCR's are pretty good, but no tech. standards involved, everything is pretty much voluntary information.
Brian McEachern, post: 371540, member: 9299 wrote: Sand pine is a common Florida tree that grows in hot, sandy, beach type habitats. Florida's Nature has a nice write up about the species along with other natural Florida flora. Typically in an area such as this, especially at this time, these trees would have been an ideal spot for a "PK -NTT" , or a PK nail and tin tab, a 2" diameter thin washer as a reference point. Note that the references are from 1982 and the filed CCR is from 1995 where the surveyor puts a line through the "accessories verified on" line.
This is a typical Sand Pine and at the time this was reference the area looked much like this. Also note the '82 sheet, noting the "Pine woods". Also, within .5' would only get me to the hole this was buried in. This monument was about 1.5' deep. We did tie it in today with one 60 second observation where the steel enters the concrete which seemed to check pretty good, (.08 N and .05 E). More observations would be needed and more field work done to prove it out, however today was more of a recon type day.
Hello, that was a tongue in cheek comment, as to the ephemeral nature of the ties.
I would not complain about agreement within a tenth from a 60 second observation. Are you saying that in a hole 1' off you could not find a monument? Do you actually expect to find a different monument in that hole?
Paul in PA
Probably those subdivision plats have ties to the section corner. The thing do do now is to back in the section corner from some plat monuments.
It's not a terrible CCR, but he should have set new references instead of referencing the old CCR. At least he put some coordinates on it, and said it was part of a traverse. Since it was a county surveyor, perhaps you could contact their office and see if they can produce the traverse records, or if the traverse set or tied into other local control monuments that you could use to verify the location, or what monuments were used as the basis of the traverse.
Have you seen this page?
http://www.pbcgov.com/engineering/roadwayproduction/survey/
Lots of additional section corner info there, and Field Book page references from the county surveyor that you can probably get access to.
I have found enough information about this corner for my purposes. The intent of this thread was more of a look at this beat up old section corner with no more references. Obviously I found it so anybody else should be able to also. As Paul in PA said above,
I would not complain about agreement within a tenth from a 60 second observation.
Our purposes of tying into this corner have been met and this photo was e-mailed to the county. Hopefully in the future they will replace it with a nice, shiny, new brass disk. Peronsally, I like these old beat up things. They have stood the test of time and still measure pretty good, and every now and then it's nice to find something that's not stamped up and painted all purdy like.