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Topo Maps with no BM and No Baseline for Design

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MTS = Minimum Technical Standards.?ÿ Certain content and often quality of data is specified in either the Administrative Code pertaining to Board of Registration authority, or in statute in the portion of Code covering the practice of land surveying.

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Not all states have MTS in statute or administrative rules.?ÿ Some have suggested standards promulgated by the state surveyors' professional society.?ÿ Some states have none at all in law or per professional society suggestion.


 
Posted : January 4, 2018 7:52 pm
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The fact is, boundary work is expensive, as there is additional liability, research and fieldwork. Surveyors would always be happy to do a complete boundary survey on topo jobs, but often the client is not prepared for the cost.

If particular benchmarks, or baselines are desired, it should be addressed as part of the original contract.

Sadly what you are seeing is the result of surveyors providing a product for cheaper and cheaper, in an ever competitive market. If you want better accuracy, more detail or faster delivery, it is going to come at higher expense.

Best of luck.


 
Posted : January 4, 2018 8:09 pm
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Members of the TSSSU, which sounds like tissue. ?ÿTop Secret Survey Stuff Union.


 
Posted : January 6, 2018 7:41 am
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"Surveyors would always be happy to do a complete boundary survey on topo jobs, but often the client is not prepared for the cost."

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I'm sure I don't understand this, but wouldn't a boundary survey be part of a submitted plan for a building permit ?

You would have to tie the driveways into a nearby street, plumbing into an existing sewer system, and maintain certain setbacks, and observe zoning restrictions.

How is that possible without a boundary survey ??ÿ Seems like that would become an issue fairly quickly.


 
Posted : January 6, 2018 7:53 am
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Posted by: R.J. Schneider

"Surveyors would always be happy to do a complete boundary survey on topo jobs, but often the client is not prepared for the cost."

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I'm sure I don't understand this, but wouldn't a boundary survey be part of a submitted plan for a building permit ?

You would have to tie the driveways into a nearby street, plumbing into an existing sewer system, and maintain certain setbacks, and observe zoning restrictions.

How is that possible without a boundary survey ??ÿ Seems like that would become an issue fairly quickly.

I've often seen approved plans that have lines on them that appear to be a boundary, but there is somewhere in the general notes that no one, including the approving bureaucrats don't read that says something like "Boundary not surveyed.?ÿ Record Boundary shown for reference" or some similar hogwash.

As long as it looks like a boundary, everyone along the line after the surveyor can check off the box and kick the can down the road.?ÿ If it blows up, it's on someone else involved later, who will go back and sue the surveyor - first the one doing the staking, and then maybe the one who provided the deficient map.


 
Posted : January 8, 2018 4:05 pm

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Posted by: R.J. Schneider

"Surveyors would always be happy to do a complete boundary survey on topo jobs, but often the client is not prepared for the cost."

?ÿ

I'm sure I don't understand this, but wouldn't a boundary survey be part of a submitted plan for a building permit ?

You would have to tie the driveways into a nearby street, plumbing into an existing sewer system, and maintain certain setbacks, and observe zoning restrictions.

How is that possible without a boundary survey ??ÿ Seems like that would become an issue fairly quickly.

Like?ÿeapls2708?ÿsaid...this happens all the time.?ÿ The reviewers could care less if the line on the map was surveyed or not....they just want to see the line on the map.?ÿ Until the reviewing agencies have some type of actual enforcement or verification on the siteplans they approve nothing will change.?ÿ I have heard them say 'they dont care if the line is right we just need to see it on your siteplan'.?ÿ 95 times out of 100 they don't even have a real topo....


 
Posted : January 8, 2018 6:26 pm
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