The deed I was retracing has five bearing and distance courses (running CCW) then a call of S82degrees ##'##" W to the east line of section 4, thence along said east line to the pob. I shot the rotted remains of an old Jack fence as possible evidence of the line.... I haven't found a pin yet on the west end of the line....
The line was ALWAYS located precisely where Richard said it was. No arguments allowed.
I really enjoyed his participation here. When someone operates differently than you do, it challenges you to evaluate why you do what you do instead of something else.
Unconditional right of disposition.
I valued Richard's posts tremendously -- he did indeed challenge us. I sometimes disputed his assertions, but doing so forced me to think through my arguments and pin down the reasons for my opinions, or else they would have just been gut hunches.
Rankin_File, post: 361951, member: 101 wrote: The deed I was retracing has five bearing and distance courses (running CCW) then a call of S82degrees ##'##" W to the east line of section 4, thence along said east line to the pob.
It was only when I found a few maps of Richard Schaut's surveys that I realized why over the years he had never posted any examples of his own work in Wisconsin.
Richard Schaut was the advocate across the fence that kept everyone thinking and searching for "what should I do".
:beer:
Although I argued with Richard many times, he was someone to be reckoned with!!!
He was one of a kind and I do wish we could have met up somewhere and had a couple of beers together.
Randy
Dave Karoly, post: 361966, member: 94 wrote: Unconditional right of disposition.
Matthew Bender's A Practical Guide to Disputes Between Adjoining Landowners--Easements
I went looking for one of his plats. I did not find any. Do you have an example of one of his plats?
James Fleming, post: 362064, member: 136 wrote:
Matthew Bender's A Practical Guide to Disputes Between Adjoining Landowners--Easements
Authors=James H. Backman and David A. Thomas.
It's yours for only $437.
The interesting thing about Mr. Schaut's survey process was his total inclusion of the property owners and adjoiners in the boundary determination.
It was a process of harmony and equity based on a mutual understanding of those involved that was independent of long standard survey procedures.
It stressed agreement over confrontation but ironically..he would be very confrontational here defending his practices.
I'd like to see a few examples of Richard's plats.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 362090, member: 291 wrote: I'd like to see a few examples of Richard's plats.
I went looking for the examples that I had found and haven't been able to turn them up. As I recall, they were of land in Bayfield County in northern Wisconsin and showing some sections that adjoined the land of the Red Cliff Band of Lake Superior Chippewa.
Here's one map I just found that I've never seen before. It seems to me that Richard was doing lots of surveying for a telephone company.
http://gisinfo.co.walworth.wi.us/IMS21/default.aspx?dockey=216%20-%20779%20%20%20&imgarea=SRV&apos ;"> http://gisinfo.co.walworth.wi.us/IMS21/default.aspx?dockey=216 - 779 &imgarea=SRV
If you plug in "Schaut R" as a search parameter at this site, you can see several of Richard's Certified Survey Maps:
http://www.co.oconto.wi.us/land_survey/
This one is a classic example, though, a map of survey of a parcel with a "house and cheese factory".
http://www.co.oconto.wi.us/land_survey/record-22c0439356e7.pdf
This early one (1977) is evidently from the pre-fence period of Richard's practice:
http://www.co.oconto.wi.us/land_survey/record-010dd1343726.pdf
Dave Karoly, post: 362079, member: 94 wrote: http://www.lexisnexis.com/store/catalog/booktemplate/productdetail.jsp?pageName=relatedProducts&prodId=10128#
Authors=James H. Backman and David A. Thomas.
It's yours for only $437.
A few years back I got an offer from them for a weekends worth of free access, so I downloaded it.
James Fleming, post: 362097, member: 136 wrote: A few years back I got an offer from them for a weekends worth of free access, so I downloaded it.
Our local law library has the Matthew Bender CD, Westlaw, and Lexis Advance so I can probably get a PDF from one of those. I may have to do one chapter at a time.
I get Miller & Starr Calif. Real Est. that way. If the Chapter has more than 1000 pages I have to break it up. I've gotten some Tiffany Real Prop., Am Jur and CJS that way but I'm having trouble with the CJS, maybe the library's subscription limits printing (to pdf) CJS, not sure. I got Boundaries before it started telling me to call customer service.
Dave Karoly, post: 361966, member: 94 wrote: Unconditional right of disposition.
Karoly, you should know that all land in Wisconsin is allodial. This means that YOU cannot determine whether or not the owners have an unconditional right of disposition. Only THEY can do it!
Kent McMillan, post: 362142, member: 3 wrote: Karoly, you should know that all land in Wisconsin is allodial. This means that YOU cannot determine whether or not the owners have an unconditional right of disposition. Only THEY can do it!
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Dave Karoly, post: 362151, member: 94 wrote: Texas Stretch-a-Fence Company has new equipment:
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Nice try, Karoly, but if you read Cooley, you will know that nothing in England or English common law applies to WISCONSIN where everything is allodial!