Most with PA addresses. Some are "null and void" because the individual is now licensed. I saw one "null and void" because an SIT was reissued 4 numbers later. The oldest I saw was from 1999.
Over the past 11 years I surmise the number of surveying graduates from PA is 200 tops.
I am unsure when the fundamentals of surveying exam was first given, but I guess it was around 1990.
What is the sense of maintaining a name on an SIT list after licensing. I think the "null and void" term is negative if seen out of context. If the individual is now licensed the SIT list should indicate it or simply remove it.
As a comparison there are 7,500 names on the Engineer In Training list.
Paul in PA
A bit off of what you are talking about but what I found interesting, and a bit confusing, was that when I took the FS exam here in NH in October one of the other guys taking it was from PA. I overheard him talking to another test taker and he said that other guys in his office had done the same because they didn't want to wait the required time put forth by the PA Board. I wonder if there are any ramifications for going this route when it comes time to apply to sit for your license. NH lets anyone sit for the SIT as long as you pay and I know its a national exam but I still found it a bit disingenuous to go about taking the test that way.
> I wonder if there are any ramifications for going this route when it comes time to apply to sit for your license. NH lets anyone sit for the SIT as long as you pay and I know its a national exam but I still found it a bit disingenuous to go about taking the test that way.
I doubt there's any ramifications. Its just the fundamentals exam - as long as one has passed that, and has the requisite experience to sit for the PS per their state's requirements, I doubt the state board would care where the fundamentals exam was taken, as long as it was passed. Though some states do actually issue certificates or numbers for SIT or EITs, which i really don't understand either. If PA does that, it could pose a potential hurdle if you don't have one.
I certainly understand your point. My thoughts were along the lines that if PA requires a 4 year degree or 10 years experience (I have no idea what they truly are) to take the FS and then you have to be an SIT for 6 years to sit for the exam, they clearly want you to have a minimum number of years of experience or an education. If you have 2 years experience and no degree, then go out of state to take the FS and get the SIT clock running you would only have 8 years of experience as opposed to 16 going the "honest" route. I personally don't care, if you can pass the test you get a license, its not up to me to decide, I just found it curious that someone would skirt the intent of the requirements by driving 10+ hours to take "just the fundamentals exam".
PA Requirements Are
10 years experience if started before 1991 to take booth parts.
5 years experience if started before 1991 to take the FS. Any experience over the minimum is wiped out and you start with zero to begin counting 5 more years for the PS.
2 year associate in surveying, 4 year bachelor in surveing, or a 4 year bachelor in engineering with 10 surveying credits, to take the FS. If your degree or experience starts before 1991 you can qualify to sit for both parts. If after 1991 you take the FS and start accumulating experience from zero for the PS. With any of those degrees it is 4 years experience to take the PS.
The advantage to the PA guys taking an out of state exam is that they might actually pass it, then only need to accumulate the experience for the PA State Specific portion. It is hard for any board to deny the "responsible charge" part of your experience if you have a PLS in another state. The fact that there are so many SITs in PA I believe is a result of the many leftover guys with experience before 1991 and no education continually trying that shot in the dark to pass. They think it is just chance. They do not fully understand that those before them who passed without a degree actually took time to educate themselves in ways other than college.
Paul in PA
