Yes, I've recently seen exactly that phrase in a surveyor's written description, as well as its big brother:
"Thence [bearing and distance] to a broken concrete right-of-way monument found set"
It's a bit like that scene in Stanley Kubrick's "2001" where Keir Dullea's character, the astronaut David Bowman, ages in the space of less than a minute.
"I found an Iron Pin that I suspect was set for an Engineering survey as there are no records of it ever existing. I then adopted it as my Set mark."
Here in QLD it would just be "IP fd"
Then it becomes an "OIP" (Original) for the next guy, so he is referencing 'mine'.
> "I found an Iron Pin that I suspect was set for an Engineering survey as there are no records of it ever existing. I then adopted it as my Set mark."
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> Here in QLD it would just be "IP fd"
> Then it becomes an "OIP" (Original) for the next guy, so he is referencing 'mine'.
The other amusing variation is:
"Thence [bearing and distance] to a FOUND Elm tree.
It makes one wonder whether the surveyor thought it was important to let the reader know that he hadn't PLANTED that Elm tree and waited about 140 years for it to grow to be the size he reported. :>
That's an annoying part of the minimum technical standards in the State of Texas. You must report every monument as found or set. The rules seem to offer no other options (such as existing). Although I have seen shadier members of the profession use 'proposed'. There have been times when creating a new parcel that I've used an existing fence post. I didn't set it, but it really isn't found either as it never represented a boundary. 'Existing' would seem much more appropriate to me.
Was he perhaps indicating that he found the Elm tree as called for in a previous description? Other than that, I can't see using 'found' in that case.
He found the iron pin that he had set.
He found the R/W mon. where it had been set? Not just laying on the ground. (it's a stretch)+o(
No. He Found It On The Ground And Set It Upright
He established the position he found it in for posterity. It may not be right but it will be less likely to move.
Sometimes you just do the best you can with what you've got.
Paul in PA
> That's an annoying part of the minimum technical standards in the State of Texas. You must report every monument as found or set.
Except it's perfectly clear that natural monuments like creeks and trees were not set by the surveyor.
"Thence to the centerline of Polecat Hollow Creek FOUND" suggests that the surveyor was operating without a clue.
What the rule actually says is:
RULE §663.19 Survey Drawing/Written /Description/Report
"(e) Boundary monuments found or placed by the land surveyor shall be described upon the survey drawing. The land surveyor shall note upon the survey drawing, which monuments were found, which monuments were placed as a result of his/her survey, and other monuments of record dignity relied upon to establish the corners of the property surveyed."
Where the nature of the monument itself doesn't admit the possibility that the surveyor placed it, calling for the monument by means by clear implication that the surveyor found it.
Slight Highjack ..............
"Sometimes you just do the best you can with what you've got."
My wife, SWMBO, does with me !
Thankfully.
Derek
I agree. It's one of those areas where the wording of the law was meant to resolve an issue and created two more besides.
> I agree. It's one of those areas where the wording of the law was meant to resolve an issue and created two more besides.
Well, rules are promulgated by licensing boards upon the assumption that licensed professionals, not idiot robots, will apply them. The rule has an obvious purpose that doesn't include making surveyors look like idiots.
Given that our licensing board finds that strictly enforcing important issues such as display of your firm number (when applicable) is the best way to protect the public, I don't share your opinion. I agree with your opinion, that as professionals engaged in a profession, there should be some latitude for professional discretion, but I don't think that our State board would agree. I think they will go for the easy pickings (the letter of the law says "found or set"). Never mind the actual damage to the public done, for example, by surveyors operating without a shovel.
> Yes, I've recently seen exactly that phrase in a surveyor's written description, as well as its big brother:
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> "Thence [bearing and distance] to a broken concrete right-of-way monument found set"
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> It's a bit like that scene in Stanley Kubrick's "2001" where Keir Dullea's character, the astronaut David Bowman, ages in the space of less than a minute.
That at least is better than someone was doing around here that said "To an Iron Rod to Be Set".
> That at least is better than someone was doing around here that said "To an Iron Rod to Be Set".
yep. I've seen that and to a "proposed iron rod".
> Given that our licensing board finds that strictly enforcing important issues such as display of your firm number (when applicable) is the best way to protect the public, I don't share your opinion.
Actually, the enforcement of the use of firm names is an important issue. The public needs to know who exactly the licensees are hiding out behind a firm name like "East Terra X Surveying".
Naturally, any professional licensing board can enforce intelligent rules in unintelligent ways that defeat the entire purpose of the rules. My opinion is that a professional looks to the purpose of a rule and is careful to see that the purpose is more than adequately served in his or her work.
Some of these are as bad as "Found calculated position in field"...
> Was he perhaps indicating that he found the Elm tree as called for in a previous description? Other than that, I can't see using 'found' in that case.
Yes, the Elm was marked decades earlier and used as a tract corner. "Found Elm tree" furnishes almost no information and looks dumb (unless surveyors are in the practice of calling for moveable piles of firewood as "trees") whereas, "14-inch diameter Cedar Elm with old scar (about 14 inches long) on South face, taken to be the identical Elm marked "X" marking an Angle Point on the West line of the XYZ tract as described in Deed recorded in Vol. ____ Pg. ______" actually tells the story in a useful way.
Seems a bit redundant. To have been found would lead one to believe it must have been set. Unless you have some serious fertile ground that grows its own pins.
Sorry Dave, I can not open the pod bay doors.
I'm partial to the "2010" movie where Dr. Floyd and Hal have a conversation.
"Would you like to play a game of chess? I play very well."
"No thank you Hal. I'm sure you do."
Hal goes on to say there is a message.
Dr. Floyd says he won't act without authentication.
Hal says: "Dr. Floyd, the message says I understand. Please turn around."
And there is none other than Dave Bowman.
I'd kill for that level of detail. Around here it's "to a point"! 95% of the time that's what you get.
Is this how pincushions begin?
