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(@holy-cow)
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Spent part of the day researching a job in a county that I only visit once every two or three years.  One firm dominated that county for a few decades and it was run by a fine surveyor.  He trained quite a number of young fellows.  Several of them are still running their own firms today.

There were only four surveys plus the subdivision plat of record dating back to 1910.  A total of twelve blocks.  No surveys in the block in question but the next block to the south was surveyed in the 1980's by the fellow mentioned above.  In the early 2000's one of his former employees did a survey in the block to the west of the current project.  About the same time another of his former employees did a survey in a block in the far corner of the subdivision.  Neither of those fellows accepted the work of their mentor.  Both surveyed the entire quarter section based on monuments set by others after 1990 then proportioned in the subdivision corners then proportioned the lots/blocks while holding the streets as perfect.  The mentor's work agreeing with the plat was ignored in favor of perfect mathematics.  Bars found that were set by the mentor are labeled something like, "Found 1/2" iron bar 1.72 feet north and 0.79 feet east of true corner".

(shaking head, shaking head, shaking head..........will we also be so mistreated in the future?)

 
Posted : 24/07/2020 5:13 pm
(@david-baalman)
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I've never understood that line of thinking. By their logic they shouldn't accept the section control from post 1990 either. They should go to the initial point of the Meridian and recomp the whole township, every section moves etc etc. In other words why isn't the section corner or the 1/4 corner ever shown as a paper pincushion?

For the record I'm a "find a way to accept it" guy not a "I can measure better than you" guy

 
Posted : 24/07/2020 5:23 pm
(@warrenward)
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Sir, this monument I just set right here is not your property corner. Your true corner lies in the head of some future surveyor who will do a better job of precise measurement and declare that my survey is inferior and wrong, then you will have your property corner.

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Posted : 24/07/2020 5:50 pm
(@bill93)
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Posted by: @warrenward

then you will have your property corner.

But only until the next fool decides on a different spot.

(fool = either a licensed deed staker or a scarcely supervised crew, holding a different starting monument)

I get interested in various subjects, am fascinated with their simplified theory, and eventually learn how the law, sausage, boundaries, or whatever is made in real life, whereupon the subject loses some of its appeal. HC's story is the kind of thing that sours it.

 
Posted : 24/07/2020 6:45 pm
(@a-harris)
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Every few years I see it myself and shake my head in dismay at what how wrong can a person be and not see the facts for what they are, the original corner rules.

 
Posted : 25/07/2020 12:25 am
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What about one of these guys who "finds and accepts it", yields to the only screwball stuff in the 'hood, and now starts trying to merge with reality? And, starts tearing up the 'hood? There is a place for all things. If something is 200' off, don't reconstruct off it.....

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Posted : 25/07/2020 4:09 am
(@flga-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2)
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HC ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??so you donƒ??t waste any more apples of thought. ?????ÿ

Apple Pie by Grandma Ople

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Recipe By:MOSHASMAMA
"This was my grandmother's apple pie recipe. I have never seen another one quite like it. It will always be my favorite and has won me several first place prizes in local competitions. I hope it becomes one of your favorites as well!"

Ingredients

  • 1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie
  • 1/2 cup unsalted butter
  • 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
  • 1/4 cup water
  • 1/2 cup white sugar
  • 1/2 cup packed brown sugar
  • 8 Granny Smith apples - peeled, cored and sliced

Directions

  1. Preheat oven to 425 degrees F (220 degrees C). Melt the butter in a saucepan. Stir in flour to form a paste. Add water, white sugar and brown sugar, and bring to a boil. Reduce temperature and let simmer.
  2. Place the bottom crust in your pan. Fill with apples, mounded slightly. Cover with a lattice work crust. Gently pour the sugar and butter liquid over the crust. Pour slowly so that it does not run off.
  3. Bake 15 minutes in the preheated oven. Reduce the temperature to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Continue baking for 35 to 45 minutes, until apples are soft. ?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
 
Posted : 25/07/2020 8:31 am
(@paden-cash)
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@flga

I've used a similar recipe for years, with a few substitutions:

I use salted butter and I ad a 1/2 tsp. (just a little dab) of apple cider vinegar.  But the most prominent sub is good Kentucky Bourbon instead of water.  And I'm not fussy enough to lattice a top crust; I just make sure there's plenty of slits to vent the steam.

 
Posted : 25/07/2020 8:48 am
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Question, how can the exterior boundary match record B&D to the second and hundredth, yet the record 2" IP monument be off by a quarter foot?

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Posted : 25/07/2020 9:20 am
(@bill93)
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I suppose the bearing and distance are to the "point" floating in air rather than on the pipe.

 
Posted : 25/07/2020 9:57 am
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@bill93  What bothers me is record B&D from the controlling boundary monuments N&S  of this corner happen to reach the exact same point and the surveyor measured exactly the same as record.  Attractive hand drafting work, though.

 
Posted : 25/07/2020 1:17 pm