What do others do when this Item is requested?
Do you have someone mark it out and measure and just state so on the ALTA notes or do you get a companion full delineation report and reference that??ÿ After reading through this Item again, it appears that all that is required is to locate the field marks.
I've never really had to think about this Item from the standpoint of what is truly requested and I can't find in my old notes from Gary's classes on this.
Nearly all of the ALTAs I've done in the last 5 years where wetland delineation is requested, we've had them marked out and provided a full report because they have been one of our development projects from the beginning and we use the full delineation report (which often includes the 404) for other things other than the ALTA.?ÿ Of the ALTA projects that I have done as stand alone, none of them have had this requested or I find that it is not needed and we have it removed from the Table A.
Locate the field marks and state in the notes or reference a full report as well?
When I last dealt with this stuff the company had a wetlands guy in-house.?ÿ So he'd flag up the areas and send me a list of lat/long in case I couldn't find all the flags.?ÿ I think all that made it on the final map was a note and the areas, hatched.
18. Location of wetlands if delineated by others . Note if no markers were observed.
So I'm not feeling any obligation to have them marked out just because Item 18 is checked. The client may just be spitballing -checking off the same boxes that got checked off the last time they ordered an ALTA.?ÿ ?ÿ
Nevertheless, the project may have a need to have wetlands marked. And then it may be convenient to show them on your ALTA map.?ÿ ?ÿA lot of times an ALTA gets requested when what is really wanted at the time is a good topo. Follow up.
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The operative word in Table A-18 is IF.
IF there has been a field delineation.
So if you did not already have it in the can as you apparently do, you would have to have to know whether a wetland delineation has been done and if it has been done then you would have to add enough in your budget to locate it.
Either way it seems that if that option is checked you would have to go in the field.
I may need to clarify.?ÿ
I understand the process.?ÿ Yes if it has been marked out, we measure it.?ÿ I was trying to differentiate between a field locate vs. a delineation report itself.?ÿ Our in house Enviro likes to do a full report which substantially increases the cost.?ÿ I am trying to tell them we don't need the report, just the flagging in the field for us to show on the ALTA.
I may need to clarify.?ÿ
I understand the process.?ÿ Yes if it has been marked out, we measure it.?ÿ I was trying to differentiate between a field locate vs. a delineation report itself.?ÿ Our in house Enviro likes to do a full report which substantially increases the cost.?ÿ I am trying to tell them we don't need the report, just the flagging in the field for us to show on the ALTA.
This feels a little bit like a landowner saying I only need one line staked...
@rob-omalley-2
I see. I've never seen one of these reports, always just the flagging. A report does sound unnecessary.
I would be a bit worried about locating flagging in or around a wetland area unless I knew that it was a current wetland delineation that I could put my hands on otherwise it is just random flagging.?ÿ
I would be a bit worried about locating flagging in or around a wetland area unless I knew that it was a current wetland delineation that I could put my hands on otherwise it is just random flagging.?ÿ
Agreed. I would say that is the real value of the report - so we can reference something prepared by a certified delineator with details and the date fieldwork was performed. Include it in the deliverables.
We always have a detailed discussion with clients about Table A items in order to figure out what they really need, so they don't waste money and we don't waste time...
Our in house Enviro likes to do a full report which substantially increases the cost.?ÿ I am trying to tell them we don't need the report, just the flagging in the field for us to show on the ALTA.
I would not presume to tell my biologist how to do his job. If marking wetlands comes with a report, then that's how it's done. To demand otherwise would be analogous to "just set my corners, don't bother to do a boundary survey"
Surveyors are the first one to scream bloody murder when others encroach into our domain or presume to know which service is appropriate. We are also horrible at staying in our own lane...
I see it more as analogous to "just set my corners, don't bother to make a map (or survey report)". In NY we aren't required to produce a map of a survey. I always tell a client the pitfalls and shortsightedness of not having a map. But they are the client. And hey, maybe 5 years down the road I might be able to charge for a survey with map again.
I've never gotten a report, maybe there has been one that I wasn't supplied with.?ÿ But for the most part, I get a GIS sketch that has flag numbers that correspond to numbers written on the flagging in the field.?ÿ I show those flags, numbers and a line between them on my map, and make a note on the map stating who flagged it and the date.?ÿ I don't think for the ALTA requirement that a report is necessary, but if the wetland delineator thinks it is for their records and documentations then I would have no objection.
