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A few weeks ago there was a mention about being 1" off an angle and what does that mean over 1000'.
I drew a little picture and calculated that to tan(1/60)*1000 giving me 0.2909

Today I was looking at the that same picture thinking that didn't seem right.
I think my math was wrong.

It should have been tan(1/3600)*1000 giving me 0.004848

That sounds more like it.
Am I correct in the second re-thinking?

(this is all in feet)

Thanks for checking my work.
E.


 
Posted : September 26, 2014 9:03 pm
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Your 2nd answer is correct.


 
Posted : September 26, 2014 9:08 pm
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I use the rule of thumb that 1 minute=0.03' per 100 feet.
multiplying by 10 and dividing by 60 gives me 0.005,
so I am sure that your solution is correct.


 
Posted : September 26, 2014 9:10 pm
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> A few weeks ago there was a mention about being 1" off an angle and what does that mean over 1000'.
> I drew a little picture and calculated that to tan(1/60)*1000 giving me 0.2909
>
> Today I was looking at the that same picture thinking that didn't seem right.
> I think my math was wrong.
>
> It should have been tan(1/3600)*1000 giving me 0.004848
>
> That sounds more like it.
> Am I correct in the second re-thinking?
>
> (this is all in feet)
>
> Thanks for checking my work.
> E.

I typically use the sin function as an approximation, my calculation would be (nearly identical)...

(sin (1/3600))(1000ft) = 0.004848 ft
(tan (1/3600))(1000ft) = 0.004848 ft


 
Posted : September 26, 2014 9:20 pm
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Thanks fellers.
I was pretty much sure my original math was wrong for 1".
It would be correct for a full minute of error if I'm correct.
E.


 
Posted : September 26, 2014 9:41 pm

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20" = 0.01/100

well, 20" = 0.0096'... per 100' but close enough.

1" = 0.0005' per 100'

multiply by 10 and

1" = 0.005' per 1000'.

Now use the calculator to get closer (that 0.0048... number)


 
Posted : September 27, 2014 1:03 pm
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To give non surveyors a sense of precision I will say:
One second of angle equals one foot in 40 MILES.

But even good for some surveyors.


 
Posted : September 27, 2014 1:33 pm
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Why use plane trigonometry? Are you solving a right triangle?

Use some basic geometry. Given a distance (R) and angle (theta) solve for the arc length (S) using
S = R times theta (in radians).

One second in arc is 1/3600 of a degree. Convert decimal degrees to radians by multiplying by ( pi / 180 ).


 
Posted : September 27, 2014 2:17 pm
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It is just an expedient shortcut that gives the approximate value.


 
Posted : September 27, 2014 3:09 pm
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> I use the rule of thumb that 1 minute=0.03' per 100 feet.
> multiplying by 10 and dividing by 60 gives me 0.005,
> so I am sure that your solution is correct.

I have been using 0.029 per minute per 100 feet for so long I almost forgot when I learned it.

I can't tell how many times in the last 20 years I have used it in the field when checking rod locations in subdivisions and had younger crew members look at me like I was using magic to get the answers.B-)


 
Posted : September 29, 2014 10:20 am

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I guess I was misled by the implied precision of the answers. BTW, if you remember the factor representing one second of arc in radians you can just multiply the factor by the magnitude of error. The formula in the previous post can also be rearranged to solve for the angle or length of line.


 
Posted : October 2, 2014 10:54 am