There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
There will be peace in the valley for me, oh **** I pray
There'll be no sadness, no sorrow
No trouble I see
There will be peace in the valley for me, for me
Tell me if I'm wrong. It seems to me the intent of this forum is for educating and bringing together surveyors. Nearly everything appearing here is educational in some way. It may not all be hard core surveying all the time, but educational nonetheless. Several years ago the Politics and Religion category was scrapped because we couldn't behave ourselves. Since then, things have been much, much better.
The challenge we still face is to remain civil. Surveyors by their very nature are very opinionated and stubborn people. Those of us who risk our reputations and careers every time we stamp a plat or other writing must do so believing we have done our best to be accurate, professional and truthful. When someone else insists we are inaccurate, unprofessional or untruthful it doesn't take long for the situation to turn defensive, then offensive.
Disagreements over surveying procedure are natural. Flogging a dead horse in the name of improved education of the unknowing is futile. It has been proven many times here that does not work with surveyors.
One of the most difficult concepts I have found that many rookie surveys and members of the newer generations is the ability to discuss any topic with any knowledge of how a debate or differing opinions can be examined without them exploding and their egos and taking things too personal.
I've tried to explain things to rookies on the job and it is very difficult when they think an attempt to show them the correct way to operate a tool is anything more than harsh criticism.
Most want to pull out their "EASY" button and try to get by with some simple attempt that does not get er done and not put any real effort in doing it in a time proven proper procedure.
It reminds me of a new crew that came back with a good proper closed traverse.
The problem was that they only tied in any monuments they found at each end of the several thousand feet boundaries and never located any fence, utilities, roads, buildings or any features along the way.
They said that took too much time and quit because they did not want to do that........oh well.
IMVHO, life would be really boring were we all be clones of one another.
[SARCASM]'Blessed are the cheesemakers'[/SARCASM]
Now that's a one a smarta cow.
Good thoughts, thanks old cow-dude.
R.J. Schneider, post: 445954, member: 409 wrote: [SARCASM]'Blessed are the cheesemakers'[/SARCASM]
Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.
You're all polite and professional here. I'm very impressed. I'd give you all a big hug, but my arms aren't that long. I'd also hire Kent in a New York minute if I ever had any business in Texas.
Holy Cow, post: 445849, member: 50 wrote: There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
There will be peace in the valley for me, oh **** I pray
There'll be no sadness, no sorrow
No trouble I see
There will be peace in the valley for me, for meTell me if I'm wrong. It seems to me the intent of this forum is for educating and bringing together surveyors. Nearly everything appearing here is educational in some way. It may not all be hard core surveying all the time, but educational nonetheless. Several years ago the Politics and Religion category was scrapped because we couldn't behave ourselves. Since then, things have been much, much better.
The challenge we still face is to remain civil. Surveyors by their very nature are very opinionated and stubborn people. Those of us who risk our reputations and careers every time we stamp a plat or other writing must do so believing we have done our best to be accurate, professional and truthful. When someone else insists we are inaccurate, unprofessional or untruthful it doesn't take long for the situation to turn defensive, then offensive.
Disagreements over surveying procedure are natural. Flogging a dead horse in the name of improved education of the unknowing is futile. It has been proven many times here that does not work with surveyors.
You must always remember that your opinion is based on the facts you have recovered. If there are new facts, your opinion can change. If you were not diligent in the fact finding to begin with, you should be willing to change your opinion. Remember the conditional statement.
[USER=3579]@spledeus[/USER]
You are correct. The facts are what we believe them to be. Once in a while someone else can supply a new piece of data that was not available earlier for some reason. When that happens, it is time to reconsider and make adjustments, if appropriate.
That is precisely what happened in the story I told yesterday of recovering a stone and a stake that had been around since about 1870. When I arrived on the scene I had in my possession section corner ties from a firm who had been working the area for the DOT on a highway improvement project. They had set a shiny new bar a few months prior to my arrival. My work was not directly tied to that corner but yet it would help me establish some control in the distance. The found shiny bar was about six feet too far north based on other existing control. After serious searching for a couple of references to the stone/stake from the 1930's, I was able to justify bringing in a backhoe to dig in what turned out to be the correct spot. After everything was verified, I provided the correct section corner information to the firm who had set the shiny new bar. Within a week they were back on scene taking a long hard look at the corner we had found and then promptly removed their bar and filed a corrected corner report. They also then adjusted all of their data for the highway project for a half mile to the north and a half mile to the south.
Holy Cow, post: 446254, member: 50 wrote: [USER=3579]@spledeus[/USER]
You are correct. The facts are what we believe them to be. Once in a while someone else can supply a new piece of data that was not available earlier for some reason. When that happens, it is time to reconsider and make adjustments, if appropriate.
That is precisely what happened in the story I told yesterday of recovering a stone and a stake that had been around since about 1870. When I arrived on the scene I had in my possession section corner ties from a firm who had been working the area for the DOT on a highway improvement project. They had set a shiny new bar a few months prior to my arrival. My work was not directly tied to that corner but yet it would help me establish some control in the distance. The found shiny bar was about six feet too far north based on other existing control. After serious searching for a couple of references to the stone/stake from the 1930's, I was able to justify bringing in a backhoe to dig in what turned out to be the correct spot. After everything was verified, I provided the correct section corner information to the firm who had set the shiny new bar. Within a week they were back on scene taking a long hard look at the corner we had found and then promptly removed their bar and filed a corrected corner report. They also then adjusted all of their data for the highway project for a half mile to the north and a half mile to the south.
You've got to respect someone who will admit they made an error and is willing to correct it. Years ago I surveyed for a cross country water line that was to be placed on the edge of a power transmission line. I came across a subdivision that had used the clearing limits as the "Right of Way" limit. It was about 15 feet too close to the centerline of the power line. My first move was to contact the surveyor, show him my research and see if he had any conflicting data. His reply was "Oh well, I ain't gonna change things now. It would really look bad to all them property owners". The power company agreed to let us bring the water line inside the clearing limits for that stretch. But it is shown on the easement documents as being in the power line R/W.
Andy
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Perhaps ignorance IS bliss.
Why is "Lord" in **** in the original post. What has the world come to when the Creator of all things has **** substituted for His name?
Just asking?
"Even so, come, Lord Jesus"
Bless you all.
Being careful. Politics and Religion was the category eliminated due to far too much yelling and screaming around here.
I'm not ashamed of Jesus.
But, I'm afraid he's ashamed of me sometimes.
Nate
Imagine what this place would be like if P&R was still around. Wendell is one smart cookie.
