This is supposed to be set 40 Lt of PT Sta 40+16.8- about 25 ft farther to the west.... but someone thought it would be more useful here at the end of the hedge between the 2 driveways. I wonder how mad they're going to be when I put it back...
?ÿespecially since I think I need to carve into here to do it....
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Don't do it dude, just dont. Set an offset or walk away but do not molest their mature tree.
Why? Can't use those to establish the R/W anyway because it's well known they are meaningless.
It is already there. ?ÿI planted that tree right next to it 30 years ago.
Yeah I??m not sure when the tree went in and that place built but the rw deeds are from the early ??40s. The tree has already been topped by the utility companies- and I??m not entirely sure how far in I go until I do more measuring- I??ll look for the reference pin also- once I have a decent position. Too many buried metal objects and frozen ground to just root up the whole place. Found about 60% of the conc mons -?ÿ
If it were me, that tree would be trimmed up far enough for me to pass under on my riding mower without having to lower my head for limbs.
In your case, hope you have an attorney on standby for your actions.
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Why? Can't use those to establish the R/W anyway because it's well known they are meaningless.
You may be joking but I've seen way too many monuments on one side of the fence and the stake for the setting of the monument on the other.?ÿ Almost all R/W monuments on Georgia DOT projects are set by laborers with an auger, if you hit a root or rock just move over a little and keep going.?ÿ The surveyor may have set the stake (hub, nail, etc,) in the correct location but he doesn't set the monument.?ÿ I have always used R/W monuments as evidence that the R/W is somewhere around here and then check the roadway for the center (unless otherwise offset) of the right-of-way.
Why? Can't use those to establish the R/W anyway because it's well known they are meaningless.
You may be joking but I've seen way too many monuments on one side of the fence and the stake for the setting of the monument on the other.?ÿ Almost all R/W monuments on Georgia DOT projects are set by laborers with an auger, if you hit a root or rock just move over a little and keep going.?ÿ The surveyor may have set the stake (hub, nail, etc,) in the correct location but he doesn't set the monument.?ÿ I have always used R/W monuments as evidence that the R/W is somewhere around here and then check the roadway for the center (unless otherwise offset) of the right-of-way.
Andy, that has always infuriated me, the monuments should control the location of the road. Georgia D.O.T. told me that the road is the monument and the monuments are accessories. That is a complete contradiction of proper procedures that surveyors abide by and it gives pedigree to the sometimes shifting roadway even if that roadway had been repaved several times and has subsequently shifted as a result. I maintain that if the monument is merely an accessory then maybe they should not set them at all because it is an invitation to loads of problems when you try and tell someone who relied upon the monument that the monument is wrong and they should have used a twisty weaving asphalt roadway instead.
Unless a found monumemt is obviously grossly in error I will hold a concrete monument for a road. And since Georgia does not set centerline control we have little choice. I can't imagine being the person to tell the farmer who relied upon those monuments that he needs to move all his fencing .
And getting proper plans is sometimes worse.
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It is amazing to hear that. We get the same story in Maryland. Monuments were set by the "guys that mow the grass" We all looked at each other, astonished that this would actually be voiced in a conference setting.?ÿ
To be honest most of the time, if you find any documentation, it usually check O.K.
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There has always been a different set of rules for the practice set by Licensed Surveyors Board of Registration and that of any State's DOT.
Surveyors define and set monuments that will control locations and DOT control is some original centerline that may or may not have ever been actually set on the ground, most were some actual offset line to the actual control line.
I've found it to be a "proceed with caution" situation as most every different office will arrive at a slightly different answer and set of alignment location for the same highway.
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It used to be that way in NY too.?ÿ But they are getting better.?ÿ Construction contracts now require a licensed surveyor to verify the location of the set monuments.?ÿ We give them a stamped and signed form with the proposed and as-built locations of the monuments.
Looking at the photo I can't tell if it's a parking block, or a headwall. Fairly sure it has to be a headwall.?ÿ
Looking at the photo I can't tell if it's a parking block, or a headwall. Fairly sure it has to be a headwall.?ÿ
It is a RW Monument.
The common excuse is that laborers set the monuments, the DOT was in complete control of that, they could??ve used a more accurate procedure but they didn??t. Now decades later they want to say the monuments are meaningless which is bogus, in my opinion.?ÿ
The common excuse is that laborers set the monuments, the DOT was in complete control of that, they could??ve used a more accurate procedure but they didn??t. Now decades later they want to say the monuments are meaningless which is bogus, in my opinion.?ÿ
Exactly right- I'd be willing to bet that in every state there was a detail/ standard drawing on how to place those monuments (I know I have a copy of ours) - that says they "SHALL" be placed at?ÿspecified locations and that policy was signed by THE HFMIC-?ÿThose contractors were paid based on the fact that the DOT personnel signed off that they were placed in the correct positions- right down to the last signature placed by THE HMFIC that all work was completed to specification per the contract documents. . Failure of the DOT to properly inspect that placement doesn't negate their placement or purpose- no matter what some 3rd tier bureaucrat may opine.
