Tangent screws?? Do instruments still have those? I guess being a Geodimeter guy for so long and now as S6 user, it just didn't occur to me that they were still around..
I attached the SX10 overview so you can read the specs and other details about the gun. Lee is correct, the instrument is 39,900. if you are already running a tablet and have TBC you will be pretty much set. if not the tablet is required. As a comparison a 1" S7 is right at 31K.
If you're going to Trimble Dimensions, my boss and a co-worker are giving this presentation (Don't ask me to spoil their presentation until after it is given):
Decisions for the 3D surveyors - How the new Trimble SX10 stacks up against other methods [GEO-90177]
JR Gregory, Associate Surveyor, Towill, Inc.
Lisa Henstridge, Senior Project Manager, Towill, Inc.
Chris Trevillian, Product Manager, Trimble
Modern surveyors face the challenge of when and ow to properly deploy 3D scanning in lieu of a conventional survey crew. They are consistently determining which tool is the most cost and schedule effective, while meeting the required accuracies for the project. Finding the proper threshold from a business perspective has been daunting. That is until the Trimble SX10 Scanning Total Station came along. Come hear what a large surveying and mapping firm has to say about how the SX10 stacks up against traditional 3D scanning and surveying techniques. Through the presentation of several real world case studies where the SX10 was deployed side by side with traditional methods, attendees can learn how to decide for themselves which of today's technologies are right for different applications and how to make sound decisions when comparing technologies.
Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2:30 Pm - 3:30 Pm - Titian 2201A
I just watched a webinar by FARO. If I recall correctly they state their top of the line scanner gets about 1,000,000 shots per second.
This gets 26,000. That's about 38 times slower to do a scan with less stated accuracy.
Ryan,
looking forward to seeing your companies presentation at Dimensions!
John - Joe, I am pretty sure that a Faro scanner cannot turn 1" angle or scan at 600M, however if short range scanning is all your doing Faro is a nice product. Have a brand new X130 in the box if anyone is interested....I need to make room for more SX10's 🙂
I just watched the webinar about the SX10, and it looks truly awesome. Particularly impressive was the comparison of the camera view vs. the view through a 30x scope at 340 meters (1,115'); you could see the object of interest much better with the camera, and it wasn't even at its fullest zoom (6 of 8). Pardon me if I'm a little skeptical about whether the screens they showed were from a Yuma 2, the color and resolution looked one heck of a lot better than anything I've seen on ours...
Also impressive was the visual plummet; not only will it make setups much easier, but you can document the setup - take a photograph, overlay the tilt data, annotate the photo.
The specs are pretty great as well - 2mm +/- 1.5ppm on the reflectorless with a 14mm spot size at 120m (or maybe it was 100m... either way it's good) and 8mm at 50m. 1mm +/- 1.5ppm on the regular EDM, and 1" angular.
All in all I can't wait to get my hands on one...
Lee D, post: 394885, member: 7971 wrote: I just watched the webinar about the SX10, and it looks truly awesome.
Where can I see the webinar?
Just arrived in the big brown truck!
Now if the tablet had just come in I could give it a test run, but it looks truly AWESOME. if your in Portland, OR come on by and take a look 🙂
squowse, post: 394508, member: 7109 wrote:
Some scanners can do station setups in the field eg resections and traverses.
It is my understanding that there is no scanner at present that can shoot a forward station, only backsights or am I wrong?
Totalsurv, post: 395417, member: 8202 wrote: It is my understanding that there is no scanner at present that can shoot a forward station, only backsights or am I wrong?
Leica scanners can be operated like a traditional total station. That is our favored method. It can even adjust a traverse. The first thing I do on a setup is acquire all the targets in view, in both faces.
The specs say 1,000,000 measurements per second on the PS40, I don't think that is points, it takes several measurements to get a point.
Dave Karoly, post: 395440, member: 94 wrote: Leica scanners can be operated like a traditional total station. That is our favored method. It can even adjust a traverse. The first thing I do on a setup is acquire all the targets in view, in both faces.
The specs say 1,000,000 measurements per second on the PS40, I don't think that is points, it takes several measurements to get a point.
The scan rate of the P30/40 is "up to 1,000,000 points per second".
Is it comparable to the Leica P40/30? How much are they selling the SX10 for?
SX10 is nothing like the P40 or P30; I think the new TX8 might compare pretty favorably with the P40 if you get all the options.
SX10 is $40K just for the gun, then you need a tablet to run it and TBC to process the data.
Andy J, post: 394589, member: 44 wrote: Tangent screws?? Do instruments still have those? I guess being a Geodimeter guy for so long and now as S6 user, it just didn't occur to me that they were still around..
Here is a scan we did in our showroom. The SX10 without an eyepiece, tangents or locks.
the picture quality (I could upload later) is awesome! The scan is quick, spot spacing is really tight and reasonably fast. The best part is when I put it into Trimble Business Center there was NOTHING to process! both of the scans were perfectly registered together in the Trimble Tablet using Trimble access.
using the new camera plummet is great! it is clear and you can spin the instrument around the point while looking at the cross hairs (ensuring it is in adjustment) It was easy getting used to pointing the instrument using the live video feed. simply touch the screen and the instrument goes to that spot. zoom in and you can see a fly on a camels butt at 1000' okay, maybe an elephant's butt at 100' but it zooms in by spreading two fingers apart on the screen and is something like an 84x scope nice!
We will take it outdoors as soon as the monsoon quits....
Geoline, post: 397015, member: 9338 wrote: Here is a scan we did in our showroom. The SX10 without an eyepiece, tangents or locks.
the picture quality (I could upload later) is awesome! The scan is quick, spot spacing is really tight and reasonably fast. The best part is when I put it into Trimble Business Center there was NOTHING to process! both of the scans were perfectly registered together in the Trimble Tablet using Trimble access.
using the new camera plummet is great! it is clear and you can spin the instrument around the point while looking at the cross hairs (ensuring it is in adjustment) It was easy getting used to pointing the instrument using the live video feed. simply touch the screen and the instrument goes to that spot. zoom in and you can see a fly on a camels butt at 1000' okay, maybe an elephant's butt at 100' but it zooms in by spreading two fingers apart on the screen and is something like an 84x scope nice!
We will take it outdoors as soon as the monsoon quits....
Thanks for posting. Keep them coming.
Half hour does seem a little bit slow though for two setups.
I ran one for an hour or so last Monday with a tablet. I have run c-10's p-40s compared to that this thing is SLOW. The cameras may be better and I am more familiar with TBC then cyclone. I didn't process the data from the demo. I think I would prefer a scanner that has traversing abilities to a total station that is a limited scanner.
Geoline, post: 397015, member: 9338 wrote: Here is a scan we did in our showroom. The SX10 without an eyepiece, tangents or locks.
the picture quality (I could upload later) is awesome! The scan is quick, spot spacing is really tight and reasonably fast. The best part is when I put it into Trimble Business Center there was NOTHING to process! both of the scans were perfectly registered together in the Trimble Tablet using Trimble access.
using the new camera plummet is great! it is clear and you can spin the instrument around the point while looking at the cross hairs (ensuring it is in adjustment) It was easy getting used to pointing the instrument using the live video feed. simply touch the screen and the instrument goes to that spot. zoom in and you can see a fly on a camels butt at 1000' okay, maybe an elephant's butt at 100' but it zooms in by spreading two fingers apart on the screen and is something like an 84x scope nice!
We will take it outdoors as soon as the monsoon quits....
And now you know the exact location of that empty space on the shelf that needs re-stocking!!
Arturs, post: 394284, member: 11365 wrote: The SX10 is very interesting from the technological point of view, i would love to test it out myself. What worries me about this concept is that there's no telescope, no screws for drives, no screen with keyboard, it can be only operated via remote control. It's more like a scanner with additional total station functionality whereas Leica MS60 is more a total station with scanning feature on the side, so a completely different approach. It's quite hard to say which instrument is better and it's hard to compare them, but i would say if one had to choose between them you would have to answer which functionality - scanning or total station measurements - will be the most used. If it's the total station - go Leica MS60, and if scanning - go Trimble SX10. Although if it's for scanning, you could just go for the full size scanner...
I guess it depends on your point of view. The SX10 will out preform a S-7 robot in speed and maintain 1" accuracy using the live video feed to the tablet.
the telescope (video) on the tablet will focus in tighter and clearer than any gun on the market due to the digitally enhanced optical zoom. Which by the way is instant and automatic, no focusing from 1' out to infinity. In my opinion the SX10 will out preform any robot at any price. As for scanning it is 25x faster than the other scanning TS currently on the market and about 10K less expensive.
