I think it's a fact that you can probably buy a whole house in the Midwest for less than the building permit fees in Kali.
I went to southern Kali this summer on vacation. Nice place. Landscaping along all the highways and such. I wondered, how can they afford all this. Probably can't!
I suppose if you make something like $500,000 per year it would be OK. I did a survey for a client from Kali this year. He told me his son had a $450,000 mortgage on a $600,000 home. I said "It must be a really nice place." Answer, no just a normal house about like some around here. I asked how much does he make? Answer, $75,000 per year.
Do they teach math in Kali schools?
I think we are in the biggest delusional bubble of human history. Probably ain't going to end pretty.
I hope for those kind of fees that there will be some field time for the checker. I worked with a city enginnerd who would go to the subdivision site expecting to see all the monuments. He didn't charge to do it, but I actually was grateful that he did it. He didn't have to worry about me but it forced other people to monument everything.
His pet peeve was that he wanted a punch mark "where" the corner actually was on the cap. After looking at one of mine he said, "I just don't think you surveyors are very sure about where your corners are since you didn't put a punch mark on your cap". He wanted a punch mark on the cap where the "corner" is; sooo I went out and did it. After his final walk through he said, "Wow, all your "corners" ended up right in the center of the cap".
LRDAY
The wages are higher here than most places. The property is more valueable HERE, than most other places. REGULATION is responsible for creating and maintaining a high quality of life.
Nevada is ranked among the lowest taxed states along with 4 other states, yet they have 14% unemployment. New York and New Jersey are the 1 and 2 highest taxed states and their unemployment rates are comparable to California at 8-9% California is the 6th highest taxed state.
California leads all other states in the GDP arena at over 1.8 trillion. New york and Texas are also in the more than a trillion dollar GDP economies.
I do not think that anyone can claim that TEXAS is a liberal state, yet those conservatives down there have managed to rack up a deficit projected to be around 24 billion dollars......
We are in a recession and this is the source of all of California's economic problem.
We have a REVENUE PROBLEM contary to the misguided notions of some folks.
LRDAY
> I do not think that anyone can claim that TEXAS is a liberal state, yet those conservatives down there have managed to rack up a deficit projected to be around 24 billion dollars......
Uh, no. That is a projected shortfall assuming the government expense grows at the rate of 17%.
Went to his website. Now everything is clear.
LRDAY
You do have a revenue problem. Bet that is heard in bankruptcy court every day. We don't have enough money to pay the bills. One way to stop a revenue problem is to stop borrowing and spending money not earned.
I don't see how charging fees for everything is going to encourage development and create jobs. BUT WAIT, that's the whole point isn't it, TO STOP ALL THE BAD DEVELOPMENT. No more houses, no more water projects, no more highways, no more power plants, no more everything. YUP that's going to make a perfect world, clean energy but you just don't have any.
You Kali guys can have it. Would you burn your furniture to prevent freezing to death. That should burn clean and not pollute.
Nope, there is going to be a hard lesson learned from all this. The dumbest generation is going to be schooled in hard knocks. Mines, wells, water projects, development, it's all necessary to be able to sit around part of the day and play computer games. You need to produce to be able to consume.
I'll ask a stupid question.
Why do you need "map checkers" to begin with?
Doesn't your license mean anything? Can't we police ourselves?
LRDAY-nopie
We understand it.
We get it.
We disagree with you that no taxes and no regulation is a cure for anything.
No Tommy, evey state in the union save 2 have budget deficits....EVERY STATE IN THE UNION HAS CURRENT BUSDGET DEFICITS.......At least 46 states have taken action to REDUCE SPENDING EVEN CALIFORNIA....THYE DID THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A REVENUE PROBLEM....
We have revnue shortfalls BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION......EVEN TEXAS....
YOUR ARE WELCOME TO YOUR OPINION BUT NOT YOUR OWN FACTS....
YEP IT MEANS
Your license has meaning. It is subjected to the rules and regulations of the issuing state, much the same as is required of DOCTORS or BARBERS.
HAVING A LICENSE, does not give you permission to do any dang thing you want. What it gives you the right to practice a profession as defined by the issung state. Regulation in the form of map checking is part of the deal,if required in your state.
YEP IT MEANS
If you did "anything you dang want", you would quickly be either 1)turned in by another professional 2) be sued and put out of business or 3) go out of business because shoddy work is not tolerated.
You mentioned doctors. Doctors don't have government buerocrats looking over their shoulder during every surgery. There's a level of trust that comes with the license.
I have no problem with government agencies checking work to make sure it conforms to state/county/city ordinances. But really, do they need to be going to the property and checking where the punch mark is on the monument?
LRDAY
> Nevada is ranked among the lowest taxed states along with 4 other states, yet they have 14% unemployment. New York and New Jersey are the 1 and 2 highest taxed states and their unemployment rates are comparable to California at 8-9% California is the 6th highest taxed state.
Dane,
Check your CA unemployment numbers - http://www.edd.ca.gov/About_EDD/pdf/urate201010.pdf
12.4%
Map check fees-Target Locked
> Why do you need "map checkers" to begin with?
This map is not an RS. It is a Parcel Map and is creating a new lot. It is merging three lots into one, expensive way to do this but the city will not accept a covenant to hold all three parcels as one, so you play by thier rules
It's SOP for all subdivision maps to be checked. Not so much for the boundary determination as it is for the different certificates that are on the title sheet.
> Doesn't your license mean anything? Can't we police ourselves?
The license has nothing to do with the map checking and it is not policing the profession.
Here's a link to the map title sheet..
http://freepdfhosting.com/26095b7c19.pdf
OKAY RYAN
I grabbed some stale numbers somewhere. The unemployment rate is far higher than what is beng reported to us. Whether one uses 8 or 12 or any number one cares to use, it does not change the argument that taxes do not correlate well with unemployment rates.
One can see by comparison that New York has an unemployment rate on a par with Texas.
New York is the highest taxed state....
Table A. States with unemployment rates significantly differ-
ent from that of the U.S., September 2010, seasonally adjusted
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State | Rate(p)
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United States (1) ...................| 9.6
|
Alaska ..............................| 7.8
Arkansas ............................| 7.7
California ..........................| 12.4
Colorado ............................| 8.2
Delaware ............................| 8.4
Florida .............................| 11.9
Hawaii ..............................| 6.3
Iowa ................................| 6.8
Kansas ..............................| 6.6
Louisiana ...........................| 7.8
|
Maine ...............................| 7.7
Maryland ............................| 7.5
Massachusetts .......................| 8.4
Michigan ............................| 13.0
Minnesota ...........................| 7.0
Montana .............................| 7.4
Nebraska ............................| 4.6
Nevada ..............................| 14.4
New Hampshire .......................| 5.5
New Mexico ..........................| 8.2
|
New York ............................| 8.3
North Dakota ........................| 3.7
Oklahoma ............................| 6.9
Oregon ..............................| 10.6
Rhode Island ........................| 11.5
South Carolina ......................| 11.0
South Dakota ........................| 4.4
Texas ...............................| 8.1
Utah ................................| 7.5
Vermont .............................| 5.8
|
Virginia ............................| 6.8
Wisconsin ...........................| 7.8
Wyoming .............................| 6.8
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1 Data are not preliminary.
p = preliminary.
No , nope, nopie!
WHY ARE WE HAVING A RECESSION???
Could we have killed all the producers and replaced them with regulators.
So over $5000 to check a map. So at $100 per hour you are basically paying someone to be on the job for over a week to do 1 hours work. Multiply this BS by a million and YUP you got a recession causing a revenue problem. Good luck on this working out.
If America is going to survive it needs to compete. A $5000 regulatory charge to do an hours work isn't going to cut it. Not in Kali or anywhere else.
This isn't a republican or democrat problem or even a tax problem. This is the dumbest generation problem.
No , nope, nopie! - LRDay
> So over $5000 to check a map. So at $100 per hour you are basically paying someone to be on the job for over a week to do 1 hours work.
I have to interrupt here...It will probably take a max of 4 hours to do a map check. That also includes a site visit for monument inspection, the site is about 1/2 mile from city hall.
The contract engineer who is doing the map check returned my call this afternoon. I had left a message asking about map check fees, he did not know off hand what they were for a 1 lot PM. This city does not have a lot of these coming in, I believe in the last 10 years or so, only 8 of these have recorded.
Anyway, he told me that he would let me know what the fees will be but did mention that they are the same as county fees. He may be in for a shock when he sees that $ 5549 figure and possibly bring it down like at least four grand, but then again, it could also go up with city addons. The county does have additional costs also, the $ 5549 was just the base fee.
These fees are so far out of hand it is just killing what little development there is.
I do not like any of this but I am just one of the many people involved. The person I am working for has no choice but to pay the ransom and hopefully he will recoup or make a profit from his investment.
Sorry for the hijack.
LRDAY
Respectfully diagree. Califonria was doing well until the recession.This does not mean that we were perfect. But the fact is until the cuts in auTo registration that blew a whole in the budget and shortfalls IN REVENUE caused by the economic RECESSION, we were not in the shape that we are in today. I am not making up the facts. They are what they are. This is not a question of being stupid. It is a simply disagreement and you are welcomed to your opinion;but, it does not changes what the facts are.
DANE
Do you believe fees in this range for doing a simple combine three lots into one are justified and necessary for the public good?
I'll agree that Kali probably has a revenue problem. The revenues are probably down due to the recession. But maybe the fundamental issue is why Kali and the rest of the US is in great recession (I believe a depression). The real fundamental issue is how to compete long term in the world. All regulation and no production ain't going to cut it in my book. But go ahead and hope, wish for the good ole days.
Like I've said before, the dumbest generation is in for the school of hard knocks. Reality class is starting soon.
Map check fees-Target Locked
Thanks. Different terms for different areas. When we create lots here, they are "checked" to a certain degree also. Subdivision plat are checked at the state level.
I was under the impression that every survey you did out there was extensively checked by someone. If not, my misunderstanding. I was a little fired up earlier.
Map check fees-Target Locked
If a boundary survey is done which triggers one of the two forms of required map filings (Record of Survey map and Corner Record) then the County Surveyor will check the map (not the survey). Record of Surveys involve checking fees; Corner Records do not most of the time. A few Counties charge for Corner Records but the Statute limits the fee to a very small amount (generally less than $20).
Generally subdivision maps cost many times the typical Record of Survey in checking and other fees.
Map checking has a long history in California which I think stretches back to around 1900 (our LS Statute dates from 1892).