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Obliterated

Found original monument, obliterated.
Set #6 x 30" Rebar in location of original monument
with 3-1/4" Alum Cap Marked xx xxxxxx


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 9:57 pm
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"Dislocated" makes my shoulder hurt. "Loose on ground" has a nice ring to it. Where it was found, several feet away doesn't seem that important because it just rolled over there. I don't know how it got pulled out of the ground in perfect shape. A tractor or whatever would have probably mangled it. I just dumped it on the ground next to my two-bit rebar and cap.


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 9:58 pm
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I don't think I would place what I determined to be a destroyed monument alongside a corner I reestablished by measurement. If the position of the previous monument was recoverable but needed rehab, yes. "Found a 3/4" iron pipe lying flat on the ground. At the southeast end of the pipe, I found a vertical rust mark approximately 1 foot into the ground which I accept as the original position of the pipe. I remonumented the corner in the position of the rust ring and placed the original monument alongside."

Otherwise, it's just a piece of pipe lying on the ground in the area of the corner.


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 10:12 pm
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Obliterated

Found original monument, obliterated.
Set #6 x 30" Rebar in location of original monument
with 3-1/4" Alum Cap Marked xx xxxxxx

very well worded 6pm!

jjp


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 10:31 pm
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Gee, I had no idea I'd get so much help on this little issue. "Obliterated" is great if I was referring to the corner, but I'm not sold on it when referring to the monument. It'll probably come to me about 4 in the morning what I should say.


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 10:50 pm

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LAYING IS CORRECT !

laying

1 ? ?/le?/ Show Spelled [ley] Show IPA verb, laid, lay·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.
to put or place in a horizontal position or position of rest; set down: to lay a book on a desk.

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Posted : December 20, 2010 10:51 pm
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Laying would be correct if the pipe was a hen.

Laying is the act of placing something. Lying is what the thing does once it's placed.

Edit: I think that should be "...were a hen".


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 10:56 pm
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But you are referring to the corner the monument was referenced to. It's the corner location you re-established that has prescience. That pipe means noting now. Your monument is your liability now.


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 11:12 pm
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Whoa there, Jules. All I'm trying to do is describe the condition of the pipe that used to mark the obliterated corner. Something in between "disturbed" and "destroyed".

Prescience: apparent knowledge of things before they happen. That would be one smart pipe if that were the case. Grammar police, is that the correct usage of "were"?


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 11:34 pm
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LYING IS CORRECT !

Laying requires a direct object. For example, in the sentence:

Steve was spotted laying a 2" capped iron pipe on the ground.

the 2" capped iron pipe is the direct object and laying would be correct.

In the sentence:

Steve found a 2" capped iron pipe lying on the ground.

There is no direct object so lying is correct.

At least in the U.S.

Not sure about the rules of grammar in Oz. Or even if there are any.:-)


 
Posted : December 20, 2010 11:40 pm

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LAYING IS CORRECT !

> laying
>
> 1 ? ?/le?/ Show Spelled [ley] Show IPA verb, laid, lay·ing, noun
> –verb (used with object)
> 1.
> to put or place in a horizontal position or position of rest; set down: to lay a book on a desk.

I think this may be one of those words whose meaning depends on whether your dictionary is an Oxford's or a Webster's.


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 12:03 am
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Sorry! corrected!

But you are referring to the corner the monument was referenced to. It's the corner location you re-established has more importance. That pipe means noting now. Your monument is your liability now.


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 12:05 am
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OK, I agree that the corner position is the important thing and what to call the formerly important pipe that is now just another piece of trash is trivial, but my question has really been trivial all along, I admit that.


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 12:12 am
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Mark

Are you paying attention? How could the pipe place anything in a horizontal position? It has no opposeable thumbs.


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 12:15 am
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Extricated from the soil should work.
removed from original position.
Found lying on the surface.


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 12:16 am

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OK, now I can sleep well. "Found lying on the surface" sounds just technical enough but it's still in plain English. Thanks, Stephen.


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 12:21 am
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> Found original monument, obliterated.
> Set #6 x 30" Rebar in location of original monument
> with 3-1/4" Alum Cap Marked xx xxxxxx

Well put, 6th.

Rick


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 4:53 am
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> OK, now I can sleep well. "Found lying on the surface" sounds just technical enough but it's still in plain English. Thanks, Stephen.

I like that, too. "uprooted" might be a pretty good term as well (but technically speaking it never had "roots").

I agree that the "corner" may be "obliterated" but the monument is not. In fact it's "lying" there in perfectly good shape.

Always say what you mean, making it clear to anyone reading it. Generally terms that can be misinterpreted often will be.


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 8:27 am
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Resting comfortably?


 
Posted : December 21, 2010 8:37 am
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Well, yes I was, thanks for asking. I overslept a little this morning. Oh, you meant the pipe, not me? Never mind.


 
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