I'm having a temporary brain-freeze looking for a word for this monument. We were retracing a 1959 survey where the surveyor set 2" capped iron pipes 30" long with his number stamped in them. We found all but one, sticking out of the ground half a foot or so. The search area for the last one was in kind of a pile of trash where the metal detector wasn't doing us much good. It wasn't where it was supposed to be so when we went back to monument our lot, we figured we would have to replace it. I kicked around in the trash and found it, still in excellent shape but lying on the ground. We set our own anyway and laid the old one down alongside it.
The question is, how would you describe the condition of that monument. It's beyond "disturbed" and it's not "destroyed". How about just "found lying on ground"? That just doesn't sound technical enough to me.
Well I guess since it was still there, technically it's just disturbed but not destroyed.
"Seriously disturbed" probably wouldn't fit very well I imagine. 😉
Found pipe horizontal on surface.
Disturbed....works for me. You had two choices, replace or reset. Most will argue that resetting it would suggest you knew precisely where it was before it was disturbed. By placing your own monument, you emphasize that the position held is your opinion and may not be in absolute agreement with where the prior surveyor placed the old monument, but, you have no absolute proof of that fact.
dislocated
I have used "found IP lying horizontally on surface, corner position established by xxxxx, set IP & cap flush."
Three scenarios:
1) I'd probably first call the surveyor that set it and tell him I'd be glad to re-set it.
2) If that's not a possibility I prolly would have stated that the corner was disturbed and I re-set it at record position.
3) Then again, your action of setting your corner and leaving the old pipe is fine too and 'disturbed' would be my choice of wording.
original monument remnants found-put discription in notes-rehabilitated or iron pin set--
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the position of original corner is obliterated. original monument found lying on top of ground. the position of said corner has been reestablish, and a monument set.
5-10. A corner is not considered as lost if its position can be recovered satisfactorily by means of the testimony and acts of witnesses having positive knowledge of the precise location of the original monument. The expert testimony of surveyors who may have identified the original monument prior to its destruction and recorded new accessories or connections is by far the most reliable, though landowners are often able to furnish valuable testimony. The greatest care is necessary in order to establish the bona fide character of the record intervening after the destruction of an original monument. Full inquiry may bring to light various records relating to the original corners and memoranda of private markings, and the surveyor should make use of all such sources of information. The matter of boundary disputes should be carefully looked into insofar as adverse claimants may base their contentions upon evidence of the original survey. If such disputes have resulted in a boundary suit, the record testimony and the court's decision should be carefully examined for information which may shed light upon the position of an original monument.
Steve: I think you already described it clearly;
Found 2" capped iron pipe 30" long stamped LS0000 as shown on (1959 survey) lying on the ground.
Set [our own monument] and laid the found monument alongside.
It's all about clear comunication, don't need no fancy tech lingo to impress the locals. 😉
disinterred? exhumed? I kid, i would go with disturbed or unearthed
Original IP found laying on ground.
RADU
lying on ground.
I agree; plain old english is how I've done it just as your originally posted.
I think it's impressive you know when to use lying and when to use laying 😉
Found original monument, disturbed, and lying on the ground. I reset this corner, by Brg and Dist from ..... and adjusted it 0.2' south to fit ..... bla bla
Clear, concise, accurate, truthful, maintaining the HISTORY of the location.
Footsteps... tha knows!
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yes RADU indicated he found the monument having sex on the ground presumably trying spawn more baby monuments LOL
> I'm having a temporary brain-freeze looking for a word for this monument. We were retracing a 1959 survey where the surveyor set 2" capped iron pipes 30" long with his number stamped in them. We found all but one, sticking out of the ground half a foot or so.
Found 2 in. capped iron pipe 30 in. long, taken for original marker described by _____ but now laid over on surface of ground, no recoverable position.
Sorry steve-o, but I'd have either reset the pipe and said that, or id have set my rod and called the other one destroyed. Its destroyed if you cant find its original position but you find the corner. It's disturbed if you find the corner where its original position was, but say leaning. Its obliterated if you don't find anything. It's lost if you have to back up ten, punt, and dare some sob to prove you wrong since you've surveyed the world trying to find something, anything to hang your hat on.
Maybe something like:
SET "Steve Gardner Bar & Cap" (or whatever you set), from which the dislocated original monument was found loose on ground N/SxE/W, x.x feet distant.
Loyal
Kris - That's what I meant when I said it's beyond "disturbed". To me, that means it's leaning or bent a little. I thought about resetting the old pipe for a minute. The old guy's work was really tight, the worst I found was 0.34' in 990' and this pipe was only 70' from another one which was exactly 440.0' from the other line of his survey just like it was supposed to be. That didn't seem like the right thing to do, though, so I set my own. Funny thing about his Record of Survey map is that some of the lines aren't parallel and yet his distances all come out even, like 440.0', 990.0', 220.0' and the bearings are different enough to skew the distances a few tenths. BTW, if it makes any difference, this pipe lying on the ground is at the southwest corner of the subject property. He didn't monument the other three of our corners, but sort of dimensioned their locations and all the adjoining maps are pretty much based on his survey, at least on paper.