Hello Everyone,
I have been using the Leica TS06 for some years now have recently switched to the TS15 model. There was a very handy program called reference arc on the TS06 which enabled me to set out arcs on the fly as long as I had two tangent points and the radius length.
I cannot find this program on the TS15 however which is disappointing, maybe im not looking hard enough but if anyone knows how that would be much appreciated.
Kirby
kirbyparrish, post: 450497, member: 13098 wrote: Hello Everyone,
I have been using the Leica TS06 for some years now have recently switched to the TS15 model. There was a very handy program called reference arc on the TS06 which enabled me to set out arcs on the fly as long as I had two tangent points and the radius length.
I cannot find this program on the TS15 however which is disappointing, maybe im not looking hard enough but if anyone knows how that would be much appreciated.
Kirby
if you're using viva it's there- though i don't remember where or what it's called. (iirc it's in the cogo pulldown or in stakeout+) i'm not currently in a position where i could get a collector in front of me, but i laid out c&g on a few jobs this way. not sure about the answer if you're talking captivate.
flyin solo, post: 450498, member: 8089 wrote: if you're using viva it's there- though i don't remember where or what it's called. i'm not currently in a position where i could get a collector in front of me, but i laid out c&g on a few jobs this way. not sure about the answer if you're talking captivate.
Yes i'm currently using Viva, it was so handy setting out on the fly without working the co-ordinates out each time or being restricted to how many segments you want in the arc. Very handy indeed, I just need to dig deeper i suppose.
You need to utilize an application "measure to reference line". Check if you have one but if you don't I highly recommend to get the one.
I personally utilize it all the time for staking property lines and arcs.
This application will allow you to enter the info and stake out on the fly lines and arcs (as you described)
I think you'll find it under either Survey+ > Reference line or Stake > Reference Line depending on how you want to use the arc.
Viva doesn't make a distinction between a line, arc or polyline for this purpose.
squowse, post: 450507, member: 7109 wrote: I think you'll find it under either Survey+ > Reference line or Stake > Reference Line depending on how you want to use the arc.
Viva doesn't make a distinction between a line, arc or polyline for this purpose.
I can use measure to reference line using either Survey+ or stakeout +. The problem is it will only measure between 2 points and does not have an option to enter radius lengths. How can you measure an arc if Viva doesn't recognize it as an arc but just a line?
kirbyparrish, post: 450508, member: 13098 wrote: I can use measure to reference line using either Survey+ or stakeout +. The problem is it will only measure between 2 points and does not have an option to enter radius lengths. How can you measure an arc if Viva doesn't recognize it as an arc but just a line?
If the arc has not already been created then there are some other options if you click on the "2 points" dropdown arrow. Some of them are relevant to arcs.
How to create arcs and lines in the job I have forgotten at the moment.
squowse, post: 450509, member: 7109 wrote: If the arc has not already been created then there are some other options if you click on the "2 points" dropdown arrow. Some of them are relevant to arcs.
How to create arcs and lines in the job I have forgotten at the moment.
I think maybe it's under cogo. When you calculate an arc it is stored as well.
squowse, post: 450509, member: 7109 wrote: If the arc has not already been created then there are some other options if you click on the "2 points" dropdown arrow. Some of them are relevant to arcs.
How to create arcs and lines in the job I have forgotten at the moment.
I see!
I have just quickly created an arc in CAD and transferred it to my controller. Viva recognizes the line as an (arc) in which I normally just create points within the radius and just draw line between them creating a 50p shape. It looks like you either have to create an arc in CAD first so it recognizes it as an arc. You cant just pick two points and say I want a 6m radius between the two which you could do with the TS06.
I only work out radius segments manually so I can have a level for each segment, hopefully Viva takes the two levels of the tangents and works the grade along the arc depending on where you are within it. I haven't tested it yet but it would be very useful.
kirbyparrish, post: 450512, member: 13098 wrote: I see!
I have just quickly created an arc in CAD and transferred it to my controller. Viva recognizes the line as an (arc) in which I normally just create points within the radius and just draw line between them creating a 50p shape. It looks like you either have to create an arc in CAD first so it recognizes it as an arc. You cant just pick two points and say I want a 6m radius between the two which you could do with the TS06.
I only work out radius segments manually so I can have a level for each segment, hopefully Viva takes the two levels of the tangents and works the grade along the arc depending on where you are within it. I haven't tested it yet but it would be very useful.
It's not necessary to create them in CAD first.
Try using COGO or the dropdown next to "2 points" in reference line
squowse, post: 450514, member: 7109 wrote: It's not necessary to create them in CAD first.
Try using COGO or the dropdown next to "2 points" in reference line
I only use the CAD when working out large roads so I can compress the data the designers give me, I have had 3D road strings sent to me before with a point every 250mm. It takes a lot of work filtering through this many points so I just click off the points i really need, If I can just click off the tangent points and take a note of the radius's it will save me a lot of time working the segments out for the radius's.
kirbyparrish, post: 450519, member: 13098 wrote: I only use the CAD when working out large roads so I can compress the data the designers give me, I have had 3D road strings sent to me before with a point every 250mm. It takes a lot of work filtering through this many points so I just click off the points i really need, If I can just click off the tangent points and take a note of the radius's it will save me a lot of time working the segments out for the radius's.
Try out the methods I described for simple arcs.
With Viva I think there are lot of more efficient ways to use that road data you will discover. Eg reference line can use your 3d road string (polyline) with points at 250mm centres. You can stake it wherever you want.
If you have the Roads module then you have even more options and is a very strong point of the Leica software from Smartworx onwards. I believe it was coded by Mick Gunter.
Thank you, I will try this at some point this week.
I will still need my worked out points so I can refer back to them regarding road chainages, i'm not sure exporting thousands of points onto the controller would be a great idea as it will be too much for it. Small estate roads it might work tho.
Would you directly export the 3D road strings as a DXF and then stakeout using reference line? just a different way of setting out I suppose 🙂
kirbyparrish, post: 450524, member: 13098 wrote: Thank you, I will try this at some point this week.
I will still need my worked out points so I can refer back to them regarding road chainages, i'm not sure exporting thousands of points onto the controller would be a great idea as it will be too much for it. Small estate roads it might work tho.
Would you directly export the 3D road strings as a DXF and then stakeout using reference line? just a different way of setting out I suppose 🙂
Yes that works and you can get the chainage on the strings.
The roads module handles the chainages best - eg you setout your string, slope, surface and the chainage is calculated correctly fro the centreline. Depending on the length of the road, a DXF polyline may not give exactly the true chainage.
An Autocad 3D polyline is only straight segments so may give a different chainage to the true arc.
Viva will stakeout a polyline of thousands of points no problem. The map update is the first thing to slow down so strip down your dxf files and break up into sections if required.
Again, roads module handles it best. Without the right software the data import options are a bit limited on most versions of Viva. Captivate (and possibly the latest versions of Viva) will import GENIO and LandXML road files directly. Still best process in appropriate software though as these files often contain a lot of info you don't want in there.
squowse, post: 450526, member: 7109 wrote: Yes that works and you can get the chainage on the strings.
The roads module handles the chainages best - eg you setout your string, slope, surface and the chainage is calculated correctly fro the centreline. Depending on the length of the road, a DXF polyline may not give exactly the true chainage.
An Autocad 3D polyline is only straight segments so may give a different chainage to the true arc.Viva will stakeout a polyline of thousands of points no problem. The map update is the first thing to slow down so strip down your dxf files and break up into sections if required.
Again, roads module handles it best. The data import options are a bit limited on most versions of Viva. Captivate (and possibly the latest versions of Viva) will import GENIO and LandXML road files directly. Still best process in appropriate software though as these files often contain a lot of info you don't want in there.
That is good to know, I think i'm stuck in the old school way of manually working out roads. It does help a little as I know exactly what information I need and keeps the map nice and quick.
I haven't had the chance to use the road module as I believe you have to pay extra for this program?
kirbyparrish, post: 450528, member: 13098 wrote: That is good to know, I think i'm stuck in the old school way of manually working out roads. It does help a little as I know exactly what information I need and keeps the map nice and quick.
I haven't had the chance to use the road module as I believe you have to pay extra for this program?
It's usually enabled for 90 days (not consecutive) I think. It will tell you if this has been used up when you start it. If it's a hire instrument they will usually add it for free.
