I received my POB magazine today & featured inside was John. The full story is on the POB website at:
John has been a great source of information and valuable educational material, not only to me, but many in our profession. He has been the major impetus to changing my career by influencing how I now approach my responsibilities as a Professional Land Surveyor. I still have much too learn and look forward to learning more. Most importantly I consider him a friend.
Thanks John. Congratulations.
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One of the best surveying articles I've read in a long time. Great perspective.
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JB is a sharer of enlightening ideas. Such as "boundaries are meant to be stable".
As the ever growing snowball that was the notion that "land surveying = COGO" rolled at full steam down the mountain road, he stood in front of it, with his hand held up and hollered: "Stop!"
Landowners far way may never know it, but they owe JB a debt of gratitude, for enlightening the surveyors who survey their lands.
I have the good fortune of knowing John as a friend. I've been to his house many times and John has helped me with many problems. I owe him most of my knowledge on land surveying either directly through conversations or by showing me the road to the answer.
I'm glad to hear John is finally going to produce a book, I've encouraged him many times to write a book. It's hard to make a book pay these days so it's more of a public service to write one than lucrative. When it is out I'm going to drive to John's house and get him to sign it.
Way back when POB was the major source of surveying online discussion I was involved in many of the heated discussions. I asked hundreds of questions which drew John in to answer which was a big part of my surveying education. On the legal (law) side of surveying I hope that John's coming book will be the turning point that returns land surveying to a respected and needed profession. Protecting property rights should be the duty of land surveyors and they should be respected for it. To gain respect a surveyor should show respect and messing unilaterally and lawlessly (little boundary law knowledge) with folks boundaries is very serious business. It shouldn't be taken lightly. Landowners need solutions not litigation. John is showing us the way.
A very interesting interview.
It lays quite a bit out on the table for review.
Most interesting, is the quotation of Chief Justice Cooley (of the Michigan Supreme Court) pointing out the quasi-judicial functions of Surveyors in Michigan. Justice Cooley points out clearly that surveyors never have judicial functions under the law anywhere in Michigan or the US that he knows of.
His further statements about surveyors as mediators is based solely on the acceptance of the one surveyor by both parties to mediation. Without that acceptance there is no mediation. There is no law anywhere in the US which allows surveyors to insert themselves as mediators. That concept needs to be taught. There is a distinct dividing line between the practice of surveying and the practice of law.
Cooley, as one of our great jurists, has clearly spelled out what surveyors cannot do in contrast to what some think that they can do in a judicial role in determining boundaries. Read his work and form your own opinion. Until a few years ago there was no controversy.
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I have learned a great deal from John as well.
JB Stahl...
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> I have learned a great deal from John as well.
We were fortunate enough to have dinner with him last May at the APLS conference, and last Wed for our Beerlegger get together!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
He's always in good spirits and fun to yack with. And...he's going to be a grandpa anyday now!!!
CONGRATS GRANDPA!!! :party: :boy: :girl: :angel:
I wish I had kept my POB so I could read that article. I probably couldnt find the article amongst all the advertising for scanners anyways.
JB Stahl...
> He's always in good spirits and fun to yack with. And...he's going to be a grandpa anyday now!!!
> CONGRATS GRANDPA!!! :party: :boy: :girl: :angel:
Congrats to the grandpa. I hadn't heard. It wasn't by this young fellow in the picture was it?
I believe that is Bruce Small (?) and his wife, John's son, John, and Gene Kooper. I think that was the first time I met John in 2004. We talked about him coming to Colorado to speak at our conference (Gene spoke at the same conference). The picture was taken in "Francisco's" in Durango. Mr. Small was vacationing there, and we were there for a "Four Corners" conference. John has been here several times since, and I always learn from him.
A more images from 2005, including the infamous "Eastern European Taxicab Drivers". Obviously I am no Daryl Moistner, but his other brother Darrel is here.
Additionally we have Ian Wilson I believe, and Loyal Olson and LR Day I am peeking from behind John Stahl at the bar.
JB Stahl...
John's a great source of information, I've learned a lot as well.
I've also been to John's house...
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Always good to meet other posters...:clap:
Radar
> I wish I had kept my POB so I could read that article. I probably couldnt find the article amongst all the advertising for scanners anyways.
hmmm....maybe you could click on the link in the first post.?
New Controversy
Carl,
"Until a few years ago there was no controversy."
I think the controversy has been around since at least Cooley's day. My first surveying job was in 1958 I don't remember a time when there has not been controversy on this issue.
By the way, I always like the pictures and comments regarding your work on the high-rise building. It is something of which I have no experience.
Jerry
