Javad Question

Nate The Surveyor, post: 381143, member: 291 wrote: My biggest complaint is I didn't switch to javad 40 years ago when I started surveying!
(Just kidding)

After the EDM and TS came out I told the crews that they would be feet on ground for X hours and to tie in every monument they could find in that amount of time. They would try and outdo themselves and set a new high for the number of monuments located in a day.

Had a tool like this been available in 1970, by now I'd have many times fold more monuments located and referenced if not the whole rural area included in a database.

In final thesis titled "Measuring Land" which was mostly about the need to simplify and downscale the electronics and weight of EDM available in 1973, I did make a statement of "one day a surveyor will be able to set on a monument and push a button and have the location in a few moments". Never thought I would actually live to see it being done.

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dmyhill, post: 381155, member: 1137 wrote: Caution, thread hijack...

How are you liking the Surveyor2? Our crews DO NOT like the touch screen, and prefer the older Surveyor + for that reason. (The new DC sits on the shelf, and the backup goes to the field...)

Don't have a surveyor+, came from a old ranger, and a fc2500. I really like the S2. No problems with touchscreen on my model. Sometimes the S2 has to finish up its bluetooth thing when you turn it on, looking for whatever you were last connected to. I find it is better to exit out to the menu before turning it off.

I agree with toivo1037, Pairing a Carlson Surveyor2 using Surv CE with a pair of Triumph-1Ms is VERY productive. I have my SurvCE hooked to a Allegro 2 and the whole works very well.

The Javad Triumph LS can do some amazing things. It's complicated but very robust. I wouldn't want to be without it.

I could not imagine not being able to unplug my data collector from my RTK and immediately plugging into my robot to continue staking. I would say technology is moving the wrong way if it is not possible. My 2 cents, Jp

The big question for me is using javad with a RTN. It is said it works fine, but do you get the robust features under canopy with one receiver getting corrections from a RTN? The cost of another receiver for a base and the hassle of setting up a base for every job is holding my back from the javad leap. I have been using a hiper with RTN and do opus and total station. When multi path is an issue. My big interest is the camera survey for the solo topo. I haven't heard much feed back of that feature.

Jp7191, post: 381224, member: 1617 wrote: I could not imagine not being able to unplug my data collector from my RTK and immediately plugging into my robot to continue staking. I would say technology is moving the wrong way if it is not possible. My 2 cents, Jp

I thought that for a while and now I actually like it better, I can be using my robot while I have my reciever set up on a point working. It is really handy when I am working with someone that I can turn loose on the robot and I go out with LS. If I still relied on one data collector, I would be way less efficient.

TJE Yogi, post: 381227, member: 963 wrote: The big question for me is using javad with a RTN. It is said it works fine, but do you get the robust features under canopy with one receiver getting corrections from a RTN? The cost of another receiver for a base and the hassle of setting up a base for every job is holding my back from the javad leap. I have been using a hiper with RTN and do opus and total station. When multi path is an issue. My big interest is the camera survey for the solo topo. I haven't heard much feed back of that feature.

RTN's work fine with Javad's gear. There are limitations to RTN's, one of them being distance from CORS stations. Another is that most networks only provide corrections once per second. One advantage to using Javad's equipment with Javad's base is the ability to post process rover vectors with the base, and the base to CORS. I still use the Network some usually to set one point then work with my local base from that point. I do see better performance in the woods using a base close to the site.

Adam, post: 381230, member: 8900 wrote: RTN's work fine with Javad's gear. There are limitations to RTN's, one of them being distance from CORS stations. Another is that most networks only provide corrections once per second. One advantage to using Javad's equipment with Javad's base is the ability to post process rover vectors with the base, and the base to CORS. I still use the Network some usually to set one point then work with my local base from that point. I do see better performance in the woods using a base close to the site.

Thanks Adam for the reply, again no mention of the camera offset survey feature, it seems for the solo surveyor this would be great for those buildings, structures under trees you can't get to with GPS . I would imagine you could get elevations of there points within a few tenths, but often that is good enough for a site plan. I haven't heard much since Shawn you tube describing the camera survey. I'm guessing it doesn't work well or the javad users don't use it much.

TJE Yogi, post: 381235, member: 963 wrote: Thanks Adam for the reply, again no mention of the camera offset survey feature, it seems for the solo surveyor this would be great for those buildings, structures under trees you can't get to with GPS . I would imagine you could get elevations of there points within a few tenths, but often that is good enough for a site plan. I haven't heard much since Shawn you tube describing the camera survey. I'm guessing it doesn't work well or the javad users don't use it much.

Shawn is the expert on that feature TJE. It works and I have played around with it a little, not enough to put it in to my workflow. I do a lot of surveys for water and sewer projects and the next one I get where they hang forcemain or water from bridges I am going try it out on the underside of the bridge. Shawn's video at the gas station is a good example where it would be useful.

Jp7191, post: 381224, member: 1617 wrote: I could not imagine not being able to unplug my data collector from my RTK and immediately plugging into my robot to continue staking. I would say technology is moving the wrong way if it is not possible. My 2 cents, Jp

I agree with Adams point as well, but our work around is a small usb stick in the either the Javad or data collector. The extra minute or two to transfer a text file is nothing when you look at all the features the LS offers.

The photo survey option is interesting, but the combination of accuracy limitations, learning curve and price point have kept me from going there.

Jim Frame, post: 381249, member: 10 wrote: .....and price point have kept me from going there.

What's a new Javad LS run, compared to the other 3?

The pricing is very competitive.

Just a Javad LS, without activating the internal UHF or Spread Spectrum radio modem is $12,900.This includes LAN, Wi-Fi, and Sim card Slot for internet access. Add $1000 to activate the included internal radio modem.

The RTK base is $4900.

35 watt UHF base radio system is under $4000.

If you have good cell service in your work area, you can skip the radio modems.

Camera offset survey, is a form of pixelated b/b int.
It's not an item that I would use very often.
And, it is a 1500 add on.
Now, if it were a camera, with an edm, with a super fast zoom, right to the pixel, and then, after tagging the pixel, hit DIST. And it shoots dist to that pixel...And zoom back out....Now I'd use that!

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