@rj-schneider should not matter how close the antennas are it should connect to whichever one you choose via Bluetooth for rover or base. ?ÿNow if you have two bases and a rover set in survey style to prompt for station index. It has a default number which is nice especially when others could be using the same radio frequency as you and you could be getting corrections from a different base thats not yours. What is nice on large projects if you have multiple bases set up and placing them on the same radio frequency and at same time have the bases logging static data at same time you can rtk secondary control at same time primary control is logging. ?ÿNow if both start from a here position in the field the rtk shots may not agree until you get primary data for bases set. But it can be a method on projects you have that are larger and the right crews paying attention. ?ÿEtc.
@olemanriver @Bill93 may get bored and stumble across this. He'll know if that works or not. I can't get 100' from the base without losing connection
@rj-schneider when you say you lose connection over 100 ft is that radio connection or Bluetooth to the base itself. I can see Bluetooth not working but once you start the base you no longer need to be connected to it only your rover then and radio. Now if radio is not then I would say a radio antenna issue or different frequency between base radio and rover or something else is going on.
@olemanriver?ÿ Base works fine by itself, over say ~2000'.?ÿ The robot works fine by itself at about that distance.
Combine the two on the same pole, and the rover gets about 100' radial coverage. Only ran the robot out to about 4-500'.
@rj-schneider Wow. Radio antenna on GPS receiver at rover and base. That is weird. Maybe Trimble is trying to force everyone onto a network. I never had a issue. Now it has been a while since I have done it and I was doing it with the big 5800 R8??s. Both VRS and base and rover. I loved that I could set gun up and never have to put a point nail in the ground and do resection to get robot oriented and off to the races. ?ÿFor those areas that were not ideal to have to traverse to. Etc.
Just realized one thing while using it again this morning...what you said about keeping it in tracking mode doesn't work it you want to measure a sideshot. If it is in tracking mode it won't measure until you turn tracking off. You only have the option to "accept" which means it's just storing the last known position, so I have to turn tracking off to actually measure.?ÿ
In staking you can press "measure" at the bottom and can't actually shoot with the enter key on the keyboard (another thing I don't like).?ÿ I used a tablet with no keyboard for a couple of years no issue, but if I have to carry a data collector that weighs 3 times as much I think I shouldn't be forced to use the touchscreen when the keyboard is more convenient.?ÿ
@350rocketmike If your in tracking mode and plum and steady just hit accept you don??t need to measure it is measuring all the time. You just accept when your ready. Now obviously tracking settings on edm are not as accurate or like fine mode or standard mode on different equipment etc. you just have to make sure your ready. Angles distances are all what you want. And unless your traversing or locating something that needs to be more precise we are talking mm. Difference.
I suppose you're right, it's just me being a bit ocd. With the Leica I would always measure because it only took an extra 1-2 seconds to do it, and sometimes that measurement would change the result by a few mm (same as on the Trimble), not a big deal but enough to go from the point being within our tolerance to slightly out of tolerance.?ÿ
Also I am sometimes setting up on or checking into control set by a different crew and their s5, which I'm almost positive they're just storing in tracking, and I'm always getting 2 or 3cm on their stuff. If I set up my s5 on stuff I set with the Leica or vice versa I always check within a few millimeters. Not sure what the issue is there.?ÿ
I guess I just need to be less fussy.?ÿ
@350rocketmike I truly don??t know what they have going on but if you are checking to the control that you set with leica but not theres it could be rod bubble out or they have incorrect settings on the prism constant or tribrach of their is out of adjustment or edm is out of whack. If They leica has not changed much they use to have a fine mode and course mode. For distance. Not different for Trimble. You have a couple options. Next time you are set up on good control just take some shots in tracking mode to see how close it is to the known on average between standard and tracking setting. I don??t deny that leica has one of the worlds most accurate total stations but unless your building a swiss watch don??t sweat the little things. What is your error budget on a subdivision. Oh remember the Trimble reflector less mode has a wide beam. When I needed things to be a bit more accurate I would shoot a couple shots on each side of say corner of a building and calc corner instead of shooting corner directly. With the Trimble robot. ?ÿI think the Sx10 and sx12 have a tighter beam so not necessary on that. OCD can be a good thing. But don??t let a couple hundredths of a foot blow your production on a 2 inch hub. ?ÿYour LS in charge should be able to mentor you to knowing when good enough is good enough. ?ÿ
In other words if we were out together and you were my eye man and I was setting a hubbfor elevation and you told me to move left or right or in or out .05 ft for storing purposes you and I would have words. Now that same hub and we are setting a tack for something now that??s different. ?ÿ I had a eye man once that when i was staking cl of road for subdivision so they could clear would be like right a tenth etc. yeah its a stake i am not sweating it. Learn when and when not to sweat the numbers on the data collector. Because just because you stake something to .01 ft and recorded it doesn??t mean its that darn accurate. To a prism pole and target. You have the desire i see for being good and accurate. So that will take you a long way. You care. ?ÿGreat to have. I would hire you today. But know your error budget. And you will have to at some point stop comparing how leica software works to Trimble. You have to learn how to make Trimble work for you if that??s what you are given. Two different software and hardware so understand the pros and cons. ?ÿFor your work. As long as you focus on Leica ways you will never adapt to Trimble. Apple and oranges both fruit. One has more vitamin C one can help with keeping the dr away lol. ?ÿ
One thing that is different here is we don't do hubs or tacks, it's just not a thing around here I guess. Most of the construction we do for the larger local builders, first visit is a staking for excavation. 4 foot offsets from the building corners. Our tolerance is 0.10m on those (so 0.328ft), very rough layout...I definitely store in tracking on those. I will use GPS if it makes more sense to do so.?ÿ
Second visit is a pinning for footings, within 0.03 ft. Then a lot of them have us layout the corners again on the footings. Same tolerance but I usually try to get them within 0.006 or better as it's pretty easy to do putting concrete nails on the footings. Depending on the setbacks the actual location tolerance could be higher but I'm just talking about the layout of the building themselves. Measurement between the pins can be up to 0.020m if 2 nails are out in opposite directions. Usually they measure pretty tight though. I know nothing is perfect and I do know the old term "survey to the degree of accuracy required". I've hit the measure button during stakeout a ton of times and sometimes it only changes the results by 0.001, but usually it changes it 0.002-0.004, occasionally 0.006. I can't always measure between every pin I set by myself, because of site conditions, etc, so that's the main reason I want to measure and not just trust that the tracking was good. I've been using the integrated as an extra check sometimes lately, just a quick GPS shot for an independent check, but the extra weight of the GPS on the pole can sometimes loosen the nail if I'm working on a subpar pad, so I don't always want it on there.?ÿ
As far as adapting to Trimble, I'm doing my best to do that...I just hate how inconsistent they made the software. Things that I can't understand why one time it does one thing and other times another. That's my biggest beef.?ÿ
Sorry about the block quote below, I can't get rid of it.?ÿ
Second visit is a pinning for footings, within 0.03 ft. Then a lot of them have us layout the corners again on the footings. Same tolerance but I usually try to get them within 0.006 or better as it's pretty easy to do putting concrete nails on the footings. Depending on the setbacks the actual location tolerance could be higher but I'm just talking about the layout of the building themselves. Measurement between the pins can be up to 0.020m if 2 nails are out in opposite directions. Usually they measure pretty tight though. I know nothing is perfect and I do know the old term "survey to the degree of accuracy required". I've hit the measure button during stakeout a ton of times and sometimes it only changes the results by 0.001, but usually it changes it 0.002-0.004, occasionally 0.006. I can't always measure between every pin I set by myself, because of site conditions, etc, so that's the main reason I want to measure and not just trust that the tracking was good. I've been using the integrated as an extra check sometimes lately, just a quick GPS shot for an independent check, but the extra weight of the GPS on the pole can sometimes loosen the nail if I'm working on a subpar pad, so I don't always want it on there.
@350rocketmike yeah everything the lieca will do Trimble will do sdr 33 sdr 24 smi carlson TDS. C&G. You want to see some software that made a country boy break what little brains he had was Wild and Wild soft. I had to drink warm beer like the Germans to translate. But what I did was do e into it and learned it and learned what functions worked best for what I was doing. It had a routine I still wish I had today. I could shoot to property corners punch a couple codes buttons on the instrument face No coordinates needed nothing and it would tell you which angle to turn to be parallel to the pins and give you the offset. Of course we used a lot of the functions like missing side etc. because we weren??t using data collectors so any functions we could figure out was a time saver. I could nitpick every data collector software I have ever used. So leica or carlson survey pro. Why do i have to change a point name or number on the same point on my closing angle and distance on a traverse. ?ÿTDS pre survey pro. Why must I solve the backsight before taking a backsight distance. If you have routines from leica that you want to know how to do with Trimble hit me up. I can probably figure it out. Now i have no idea why its being so slow. That is not normal trust me. Now you do have a routine in Trimble access you might want to experiment with. The multiple backsight routine when you are doing your tight end of pinning. It is a neat and I have tested that and had heartburn trying to explain to the LS why I didn??t need to set up on a different point and re shoot and bump everything again. But it only works at its best if you have good control geometry. So for lots in a subdivision i would use all property corners I could see as it was more critical the house was in the lot correctly versus some coordinates from control etc. or at least use a couple property corners from the lot with my control for said lot type of thing. What is your Proccesor say when your running Trimble access wonder if something is overloaded.
I missed out on the good old days before data collectors. The oldest I've used is a Tracker extreme with an old version of fieldgenius and a tsc2 with survey controller. That is "the old days" for me. Lol.?ÿ
I think I know how most of the things I need to use in Access work...I just don't like the way they work. Things like the display showing a point name and the code for a different point. Ex 115 CHK, when 116 is the CHK and 115 is SPK. It mixes them up. And the inverse screen... sometimes when I go into it the fields are blank....but other times it has a random point in there which jumps the map screen away from where I was just looking at the points I wanted to inverse...and when I type in the correct point it doesn't go back to the exact same spot on the map. I don't want to go on and on with complaints, it's just a whole bunch of things like this that add up to a lot of extra button presses. The software is supposed to make things faster and easier so anything that needlessly makes me press more buttons, seems counter productive. Deleting points that I shot in both faces or multiple GPS shots averaged... have to delete every observation individually. And it loses your spot in the point manager after each one you delete, so you have to type the number in to get back down to it and pick the remaining observations to get rid of the entire point. Lots of button presses.?ÿ
@350rocketmike To much to type here. And my old mind has been used up this week learning civil3d. Today my boss messaged me saying he ordered me a new desk and it was going to be delivered and they would bring it up the stairs and set it up. ?ÿI said you are already treating me like office folks thinking Since I am not out in the field as much I need help with labor work lol. Anyway I do farm and I make small squares I pick them up manually myself so I will not get to soft lol. ?ÿ
You need to message me directly. Maybe a phone conversation and I could probably help you a lot. Now you alluded to something that bit me in the rump. Which is if you are keying in a point or inverse etc if you accidentally touch the map screen it will pull those coordinates from where you tapped the map doesn??t have to be a true point. That made me sweat. I asked the question here and someone told me what it might be and I checked the next day and yep. Now for sometimes numbers on inverse. If you have selected any points or point in map screen it will hold those. If you clear selection on map screen or nothing is selected just like survey controller did. It will be blank. Now i am not as good with access as i was with survey controller but you can set up what i call hot keys or favorite keys to streamline some functions so you don??t have to navigate so much. Also one crew chief made multiple screens like opening a new window on computer and he had different function that way as well. I am not understanding your ck number issue. Are you using the check shot routine or staking or topoing and point and calling it ck shot. I am on east coast and happy to spend a little time discussing things to help you. I am no expert but I usually can figure things out and or at least get you pointed in right direction. Now i am a southern boy so the accent might throw you a bit . If you are from up north or west. If my tongue gets to thick and you are like who the he double hockey sticks is this and wonder what thicket i was dragged out of. Just say sir please stop rewind and get the He haw out and explain again. Lol. I mean i just honestly can??t figure out how finding anything is to difficult. Trimble is very simple. To be honest survey controller is nothing more than a fancy sdr 33 and Trimble access regular functions not much different either. A few name changes and purdy colors. Is all. I have more trouble trying to open the software itself and using the touch screen. ?ÿAlso in stake out mode you can customize what you see and how it is ordered like deltas distance code number etc I accidentally tripped up on that. When another crew had a update and said they moved everything. So I started playing and said here play with this and once he figured out he loved it.?ÿ
You just solved one of the mysteries...I do occasionally forget to switch back to the pan mode before moving around the map screen....in selection mode it will still let you pan so I don't always realize until it's clicking points and I occasionally forget to clear selection to get rid of inadvertently selected stuff. I'll have to be more vigilant about not having any points selected.
What I mean about the chk point, is just that the map display as you zoom in or out and it changes which points are displayed or not displayed....if you have only 2 points, half the time it will show the one point name but the code for the other one. It's an issue with the map display. Say point 1 is CP and 2 is CHECK, depending on your zoom level it will show you number 2 CP or 1 CHECK, instead of displaying one or the other. If I want to use the main control point and not the check and I don't know for sure which number it is...I have to switch to select mode and click the cluster of points to check which number is which instead of just relying on the map.?ÿ
I do have every single hot key set up. Trimble is definitely designed around having them and using them. I didn't realize how much time it wastes going through the menus instead of using hot keys until I worked with another guy using a different tsc7 and I didn't know his hot keys cause they're all different than mine.?ÿ
I set it up with all the most common stuff I use as the first set and the less common stuff under the shift key. I've modified this multiple times to improve my workflow as I realized certain things weren't worth being on a hot key.
I also setup the staking display to show all the stuff I wanted. I've gone through every setting in there. Like I said I even tried tweaking the "averaged observations" in the measurement settings from 2 all the way up to 20 and that didn't make the shot take any longer, so something is messed up in the software there.?ÿ
One major breakthrough yesterday....I updated the firmware on the r10. It was running 10 years old firmware. I updated it to 2015 firmware based on its firmware warranty end date and now I'm up 10 satellites on average. It used to always be around 9-12 even in wide open areas. Now I'm getting 17-22.?ÿ
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@350rocketmike yeah I think the display in map screen is kinda a known issue. I would turn on points name only accept for when I needed the code so i saw points. Also if you take all your primary control points and export them out from TBC as control or import them into your job as control it will hold and not be able to be changed accidentally. Set up a basic feature code library for construction and then you can separate visualize them different. Symbols. Etc. ?ÿi think u probably know where you can change what is displayed in map screen point name elevation code etc. it gets to cluttered with everything so i make it one or the other for majority of time. If you are linked to a file it??s symbol is different than a point in job. ?ÿ Stake out points having the list you can after you have staked it and accepted it will remove from the list. When i am staking lots of points and have oriented myself and order i use the list a good data guy keeps points numbers in a logical sequence order. But i had one who always throwed some crazy numbers for radious points on curb and gutter. Yes I would always forget one lol. Sounds like you are tweaking it and will get over the hump soon.
