Someone must be pretty desperate if they're trying to sell professional land surveying services on eBay.
Kind of the Earl Scheib school of sales.
"Ahm Earl Scheib and Ah'll survey any Lot for Wun-twenty-nahn nahnty fahve!"
unbecoming in the least. Seems to me a desperate surveyor taking desperate measures to do anything to make some money.
I thought an ILC was not a survey and was so stated in the certification, but this advertisement uses the word survey many times.
JD McSnow LLC
John McMahan
19 Tames Creek Street
Edwards Co 81632
19 Tames Creek Street,
Edwards Co 81632
970-471-0905
mcsnow@comcast.net
http://apps.vaildaily.com/utils/c2/app/v2/index.php?do=adDetail&adId=7571946
McMahan|John|Darin|||19 Tames Creek Street||||Edwards|CO|Eagle|81632|81632|Professional Land Surveyor|37934 |30-NOV-04|31-OCT-13|Active|09-NOV-10||||||||02/24/2012|
I've never seen ANYONE pay $900 for an ILC. They all seem to want it for $150 (the number their realtor usually gives them)... In most cases, we won't do one for less than $400, and that's only if we "feel good" about the area. Although that won't include topo, which is typically not part of an ILC (which is not a "real survey")...
All in all, though, we've tended to avoid ILC's altogether. Too little money for too much work for a POS drawing that isn't even a real survey. Don't even want to be associated with those things.
Reading the comments at the bottom, though, it sounds like this guy isn't really selling an ILC. He's selling a simple topo on an unbuilt lot, without guaranteeing or setting any of the lot corners. This should not be allowed by the Colorado State Board, in my opinion.
Without pulling out the laws and rules and reading them again, I believe it does say something about this kind of advertizing.
Not very professional IMHO.
> Without pulling out the laws and rules and reading them again, I believe it does say something about this kind of advertizing.
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> Not very professional IMHO.
"this kind of advertising"? What kind?
advertising a professional service?
placing an ad on e-bay?
doing a topo with an ILC certification?
maybe we should be pulling out the laws and rules and read them again
> Reading the comments at the bottom, though, it sounds like this guy isn't really selling an ILC. He's selling a simple topo on an unbuilt lot, without guaranteeing or setting any of the lot corners. This should not be allowed by the Colorado State Board, in my opinion.
I've seen topo maps all day long without setting pins
what part of topo mapping is guaranteeing lot corners?
at least the guy is not charging $150
and at least he will be providing some certifying language that the client will know exactly what he is getting.
I think a case could be made that it is in violation of:
38-51-109. Unlawful sale.
(1) It is unlawful for any person to offer to sell, to sell, or otherwise to receive remuneration for any map or plat which purports to be a survey map or plat unless such map or plat conforms with the standards, requirements, and terminology of the provisions of this article.
(2) It is unlawful for any person to offer to sell, to sell, or otherwise to receive remuneration for any document, sketch, or diagram which purports to be an improvement location certificate unless such document, sketch, or diagram conforms with the standards, requirements, and terminology of this article.
I also remember a "shall not advertize in a self laudatory manor" but that may have been repealed as I can not find it in the current statute.
> I've seen topo maps all day long without setting pins
> what part of topo mapping is guaranteeing lot corners?
The problem is that he's offering a topo, calling it an ILC, on an unbuilt-lot, without specifying WHERE his topo is located. What use is that? What good will it do for construction?
In Colorado, an "ILC" does not require identification of lot corners. Thus, it is not a "real survey".
If he's not setting monuments, then is he just going to go put some 60p nails in the ground and call them "control points", then do a topo on the area that he THINKS is the lot, doing one of those "5000,5000" sorts of surveys? Or what?
And how is the typical prospective land-owner to know this is not good enough? This is what I would consider "false advertising", because it can suck in someone who doesn't know much (and I know we've all dealt with people who are buying land and have no idea what they're getting into). As a Surveyor, I feel it's our professional responsibility to protect our clients from their own ignorance, rather than take advantage of it. And I think the whole tenor of this advertising reflects badly on our profession, and therefore on all of us, and merely serves to reinforce the opinion I've heard from some that Surveyors are a "waste of money"... Well, up until they have a property dispute, anyway, when they finally discover they didn't buy what they thought they did.
We've been dealing with a subdivision in Huerfano County where the local surveyors did stuff like this. People bought lots sporadically, one at a time, and now the subdivision is finally starting to get filled in. And now the county wants to put in new water meters for each lot, keeping them within the road right-of-ways. The only problem is it looks like people may have built houses encroaching into adjacent lots, the few remaining subdivision corners in adjacent filings don't agree by upwards of 40 feet, and there's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to figure out where the road right-of-way should go, because there's so much conflict through the entire thing. It's been a huge mess for both us and the county.
This sort of unprofessional approach can create HUGE problems down the line.
