I am not sure that what a union agrees to matters. State law would guide here and there are many differing rules from state to state. I know several employers who have tried this tactic and lost. More importantly though, what kind of business would require a worker to work for no pay? The same type of business that would pretend it has no crew chiefs on a prevailing wage job or those that try and pay "comp" time instead of overtime. You wonder why we can't attract quality employees and we are seen as lowly tradesman rather than professionals. We have seen the enemy and he is us.
When I saw your subject line, I thought it was a help-wanted ad. I thought good...a job I could finally qualify for. 😀
"I am not sure that what a union agrees to matters."
Unions DO in fact play by a different set of rules when it comes to state labor laws.
Fair or not, it is reality.
> ...More importantly though, what kind of business would require a worker to work for no pay? The same type of business that would pretend it has no crew chiefs on a prevailing wage job or those that try and pay "comp" time instead of overtime. You wonder why we can't attract quality employees and we are seen as lowly tradesman rather than professionals. We have seen the enemy and he is us.
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Not only what you said, but what employee needs to 'catch wind of the fact' or be told through the grapevine, or find out when his first check is short? This is definitely something that the company should be up front about and not written in some fine print in an employee handbook.
And, too, I don't care how uncomfortable it might be, leaving an employee stranded 20 miles from the office is pretty low. Maybe the employee was being a brat, but how professional is everyone on the crew?
> We have seen the enemy and he is us.
Ain't that the truth.
Eagle Scout!
I am an Eagle Scout!B-)
Don't knock those
that only want to hang around and do what they are told. I had a rodman that retired at 80 years of age only after he couldn't see or hear well enough to work in the field. He once told me he had had two jobs in his life, World War II and Welker and Associates. I don't know how many men he worked with who are now licensed, but at least 6 that I know of. He taught us all something. RIP Jack Dobbins.
Andy
Don't knock those
> that only want to hang around and do what they are told. I had a rodman that retired at 80 years of age only after he couldn't see or hear well enough to work in the field. He once told me he had had two jobs in his life, World War II and Welker and Associates. I don't know how many men he worked with who are now licensed, but at least 6 that I know of. He taught us all something. RIP Jack Dobbins.
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> Andy
I have heard of, but never met a "professional" chainman. Though every one I have heard of from men who went on to become licensed, have given them credit for teaching them much about field work.
I have met a "professional" instrumentman or two. They were very good.
B-)