of a 40 inch ponderosa pine and the stone is +/- 32 links out into the pond (it's manmade) no one has fessed up to finding the stone since 1966 ( i wonder why) but surveyors since then have been calling the 1968 C1/4 ( 2.5" brass cap- like people just put those in the ground on a whim) off by about 30 feet. I'm figuring on trying to locate the stone from the BT tie and from a calc'ed position from the 1966 survey.
Ice near the edge of the pond was about 4' thick with the water underneath about a foot deep. i plan on barring thru the ice from the bank out - that way i can stop before the water gets over my hip boots. Old boy at the house said that hip boots will work....
Any topo calls in the notes for the stream?
this is the blazed face- I believe
no topo calls or line trees- 1872- those boys were flying.
This is the n1/4 S30, T10N R19W there is a 2.5" brass cap marked S30 C1/4 1968 but with no surveyor's number. Same with the C1/4 of S19. There is a large retracement in S25 T10NR20W, where the surveyor used these same style of mons., but I haven't found any record of the survey yet in this township. I have a lead to talk to another surveyor tomorrow in the area who may have some info on the whole thing. More pics tomorrow I hope. the crew dug out to nice stones to the south today, but those pics are still in the camera.
First Have A Piece Of Wood Confirmed As Ponderosa Pine
That should be an expert opinion and not from a surveyor.
Paul in PA
First Have A Piece Of Wood Confirmed As Ponderosa Pine
Paul- there are 2 types of trees that grow on the benches above the Bitterroot. ponderosa and cottonwoods - it ain't a cottonwood.
First Have A Piece Of Wood Confirmed As Ponderosa Pine
If the original notes call for a ponderosa pine, have an expert opinion on it for the file.
Paul in PA
The cottonwood..
was about 3' right of the pine. Emphasis on the word "was". 😉
Seriously though, I'd like to see what's under the scar. In the early 1870's here in Oklahoma I have seen a scribed B.T.; the placement of which was not actually noted in the notes. And I've see merely blazes on trees that were eventually determined to be the BT. Both from the same "time frame", but different surveyors.
Like yours, they "flew" down here, too.
First Have A Piece Of Wood Confirmed As Ponderosa Pine
> If the original notes call for a ponderosa pine, have an expert opinion on it for the file.
>
> Paul in PA
I could see there would be times when it would be prudent to go to the expense of having a "professional" validate the species of tree. Not figuring on that being the issue with this instance.
The cottonwood..
I'll be talking to the landowner again tomorrow and discuss openning up the stump. He was pretty accomodating today.
The cottonwood..
Bearing trees were a very rare commodity in this area when the Governement surveys were performed. Dang few and very far between, to be precise. Many of the topo calls were to very small watercourses that tend to move over time. There were quite a few calls to 'roads' which would have been little more than an overgrown cow path. These roads would have been trails frequented by the Natives who had explored the area enough to know the best cross country routes. They were not put there by travelers from areas to the east.
this is the blazed face- I believe
Seems like chopping out the blaze to expose the scribing would be worthwhile.
this is the blazed face- I believe
Blaze and/or scribing so low on the tree?
I think that stump is the remains- edit
edit- the ice at the edge of the pond is 4 INCHES thick...
this is the blazed face- I believe
the top of that (Open) blaze is about 2 ft up from og.
it was also healed over pretty good-
I think that stump is the remains- edit
Shame on me. I missed that typo. Four feet of ice would require chainsaws or something similar. Dragging a chunk of ice about four feet thick by six feet wide by 25 feet long would take a fair sized tow chain and one heck of a pulling unit.
First Have A Piece Of Wood Confirmed As Ponderosa Pine
there are 2 types of trees that grow on the benches above the Bitterroot. ponderosa and cottonwoods - it ain't a cottonwood.
Many of the old notes around here refered to them as "yellow" pine. Basically, there is Lodge Pole and Pondersoa, so you were never sure which one they were calling out. Of course, you have to assume the field crew got the right kind of tree and it got put correctly into the notes, they sure didn't get the stone types correct all the time.
I dunna know but the live tree in the picture doesn't look like either cottonwood or ponderosa, it looks like maybe Boxelder. Do you have them there?
this is the blazed face- I believe
> Blaze and/or scribing so low on the tree?
Sometimes that species has long, low, heavy branches and it would just be easier to put the blaze down low. So the blaze being low wouldn't concern me.
First Have A Piece Of Wood Confirmed As Ponderosa Pine
Was told yerstday it was an elm. they are not native in this area- there are 2 of them on this place. _ I'll try to do a better job id'ing it it next week.