I don't know what it is about spatial awareness and recognition and how they apply to boundary surveys and property lines. I was staking some property lines a couple of days ago for a woman and I had the most difficult time trying to get her to "see" the line of stakes when there are random obstructions like shrubbery going down the line. The shrubs prevented you from being able to see the entire line from end to end and when she stepped off line to see the stakes she said they were not online. I had stakes every 30' and still it was a struggle and I finally had to paint the line on the grass.
I felt like I was talking to Mrs. Wiggins.
not just surveying- i went back up for my first flight lesson in about 18 months yesterday.?ÿ even as somebody with some experience doing so, and as somebody who spends his days eyeballing distances and lines of sight and working with all manner of direction-oriented instruments... trying to "see" properly as a pilot is an acquired skill.
Yes, it is difficult, not everyone was issued the same kind of brain.
Just do what it takes to serve the consumer.
true story:
well seasoned "Party Chief" looking at Two stakes... "yes, they line up good, breakout the gun and check it to be sure"
Me, breakfast a failure, lunchtime looming, hungry as a ...., telecon to Secretary who's out running errands, but could be dangerously close to some food:
Me: "Where are you?"
S: "I'm here"
Me: "Well, here's a relatively big place. Where are you?".
S: "Near there"
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I encounter, quite frequently, people who "can't read maps." ?ÿI agree, most things require some level of skill acquired either by learning, being shown, or just figuring it out using common sense. ?ÿI was shown and taught how to "read" a USGS quad map when I was about 12 years old in Boy Scouts. ?ÿ Maps make sense; they are representations of an area reduced in scale and shown on a piece of paper. ?ÿ Smart phones are great: a map app can be used with or without background aerials and can be zoomed in close enough to see many ground features. ?ÿYou can even hold the screen parallel to the ground, rotate the phone close to North, and zoom in to bring up area features that you can see, just like a paper map aerial. ?ÿSymbols on a map represent property lines, houses, streets, power poles, fire hydrants, fences, and the like. ?ÿI have witnessed open mouth astonishment at the fact that when standing on the property with both an aerial photograph and a new survey plat oriented the same as the ground, they are similiar, and symbols are used to represent those ground features. ?ÿI have pointed out a symbol on a map, and then pointed to the feature on the aerial, and then pointed at the object on the ground and said, "there it is, right there." ?ÿSome will even take the map, rotate it out of alignment, ?ÿtry to read it, only to get confused and give up. ?ÿI have shown them to leave the map alone, walk around the map, and then look at the map, then look up at the feature. ?ÿAstonishment and amazement usually follow, but some throw up their hands and say, " I can't read maps." ?ÿ I may as well try to teach them rocket science. ?ÿHowever, most "get it," and are happy that they now have a piece of paper that shows a boundary survey of their property. ?ÿI really like it when they smile and reach for their checkbook and ask, "what do I owe you?"
I spend the time to draw a nice CAD survey plat, only to wonder sometimes, "why." ?ÿBecause it is required by our Board of Licensure, and we furnish a copy of the survey plat to our client. ?ÿIf they don't want it, it goes in the file. ?ÿI have had clients walk into my office with an old survey plat of mine done back in the 80's or 90's; still in the original envelope and unfolded since that time. ?ÿAt other times, the maps are worn and tattered, marked on, stained and well used. ?ÿMany do not care about the finished survey plat, and are completely satisfied with the finished ground survey. ?ÿ
There are all kinds of people out there. Most know, some don't. Many want to learn, a few don't. Many do not care at all about the finished map, but most do. ?ÿIt has my signature and seal on it, and it is an official document, a copy of which is to be filed in their personal land records and one in the safety deposit box next to their land deed and marriage certificate. ?ÿAnd, I have had to replace lost copies of ?ÿsurvey plats because they misplaced it and can't find it anywhere. ?ÿPeople..........
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It is very difficult to show someone someting looks like any property description or map.
Many people can not understand where to point to where they are on a map when asked.
I don't know what it is either, but I will say, be kind to those of us who can't "see it". 🙂
I am the older student in surveying who has asked questions here before ...and I have always struggled with certain visualizations, 3D especially. Some of it I have become more proficient at through education (I learned quite a bit when I took drafting and CAD), but some of it is still difficult for me. And it's not for lack of trying. I love geophysics, understanding map projections, nutation, precession, and all the related topics, and spend a fair amount of time reading about it. We have a nice beautiful globe in our house. But I have a hard time visualizing somethings. For some, it's just obvious. My husband is one of those who just "sees it".?ÿ Even simple things ?? figured this one out early in our marriage -?ÿlong time ago.?ÿWe're camping and wanting to set up the table in the shade and we're trying to move the table differently. I can't easily "see the shade".?ÿ And he's a sweetheart, a very kind man. But he was like, "can't you just see where it's shady?" and I would say, no I can't see just see it.?ÿHim and his family are into bird-watching. You see the bird with the naked eye, then you take your scope, and you try and find the bird in the scope. I see the bird just fine with my naked eye, but then I put on the scopes and I'm like, where's the ??.. bird??ÿAgain, practice definitely helps, and having someone who is patient and understanding explain it helps, but for some of us, it's just very difficult. So be patient ??
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Ok I a stumped......how can you not see where it is shady?
Ya got the sunny part that is not shady and then you have the shady part that is not sunny.
Unless it is an overcast day and then it is all shady or maybe less sunny.
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A long time ago I had my wife help me flag some contours for new nearby reservoir and that woman could not "see" the contour for nothing. I though she was gonna kill me. Every single time she would move out she would go twice as far down. Oh she was mad at having to climb up but I could not get her to grasp the idea.?ÿ
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About using a scope........do you know which eye is dominant??ÿ
Do you know how to determine it?
Are you keeping both eyes open?
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I wonder if you might be color blind and not know it.
You sound just like my husband. He's like how can you not just see it? To him it doesn't make sense. But I cannot differentiate it. I can see the difference between shade and sun if it's very obvious, say on asphalt. But camping, it's on dirt (with leaves/pine cones), and sort of shaded by some trees, so it's not as obvious. Some day brain science will have answers for us ?? for now, just know that for some of us it's much more difficult than others. [Of course my husband can't see the salt shaker that's right in front of his eye in the cabinet!!]
On the scope, I do not know which eye is dominant. I didn't even know there was such a concept. But just tested it and if I have to cover one eye, I cover the left. It's easier for me to see with the right eye.
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