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Kris M.'s signature with a little "adjustment"...

"You don't have to be a good surveyor if you set all the found corners."

😉

 
Posted : February 16, 2011 2:11 pm
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well good luck with that.

That won't work in Ca! If a crew under your direction does a poor job, guess what? You did a poor job.

 
Posted : February 16, 2011 9:04 pm
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well good luck with that.

> That won't work in Ca! If a crew under your direction does a poor job, guess what? You did a poor job.

The same is actually the case under the rules of Texas practice. The registrant is responsible for all aspects of the work issued under his or her seal and signature, regardless of what a clusterfuge of an organization he or she is a part of. That doesn't mean that you won't hear "Oh, that was the party chief I fired when I later learned he was:

(a) smoking crack,

(b) never setting monuments,

(c) drinking on the job, or

(d) [space reserved for future expansion].

 
Posted : February 16, 2011 9:22 pm
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Yeah, hitch up that kilt, and dig a little deeper!

(Just an old irish drinking song)

N

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 2:06 am
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The best part of going surveying with my dad when I was young was looking for the irons. I hadn't taken trig yet, and standing on two milk crates to look through his old Topcon wasn't practical. But I could walk around for hours with the Schoenstadt finding all kinds of neat stuff. Now of course, I know finding something where you are supposed to find something is the real rush.

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 6:17 am
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Texas is funner place to survey?

So, to recap:

Kent has either a lot of time or a sweet contract that allows him to have enough money to spend a lot of time digging many feet down into the earth, moving and removing monuments. Then he makes very interesting and educational posts (With Pictures!!!) about the subject.

Kris feels like it is ok to place markers without his PLS on them...preferably markers that look like originals...
(Everyone looks about with a confused look on their face, except Kris.)

Basically, Texas sounds like a much funner place to survey!!!

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 3:35 pm
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Texas is a great place to survey

> Kent has either a lot of time or a sweet contract that allows him to have enough money to spend a lot of time digging many feet down into the earth, moving and removing monuments. Then he makes very interesting and educational posts (With Pictures!!!) about the subject.

Actually, McMillan is getting paid by some landowners to help them find their common boundary as it was originally located in 1940 as described in their respective deeds. What is at stake is a new house under construction may need to be demolished. If so, there may be further litigation. That tends to make the thousands that a real survey costs seem quite a moderate expense. The cheapie surveys end up costing too much. But I'm sure you knew that.

(Kris is actually in EAST Texas, which is another state entirely.)

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 3:41 pm
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Texas is a great place to survey

That sounds like a great and fun job!

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 3:45 pm
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dmyhill

Obviously reading comprehension wasn't requisite in your education.

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 3:55 pm
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victim of fence builders

We are working on a problem of a 130 year old closing corner on a Rancho Grant line that we know was still in existence in 2000±. According to the Fire Captain the fence across the highway from our station (where the CC was) was built about 5 years ago. We dug a huge glory hole looking for it but it is definitely the victim of a chain line fence corner, dag nabit.

Fortunately there are at least 2 surveys that set or found monuments nearby that can be used to figure out where the CC was. But it's time consuming to go find numerous rebars and pipes, some in orange groves (one is in an Agave grove-you know tequilla) and other hard to see places. Then we have to tie them into the survey then hopefully everything agrees on a location for where this CC was. I delegated this project down to my licensed subordinate employee so he is more familiar but he says so far we are finding them pretty close to where his calc.s say they should be (within a tenth).

The public is just ignorant of boundary for the most part in my experience. One actual comment was "maybe they still have it (the stone) and they'll give it to you." So we patiently explain that the monument is useless laying in the back of someone's trash pile.

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 5:35 pm
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victim of fence builders

> The public is just ignorant of boundary for the most part in my experience. One actual comment was "maybe they still have it (the stone) and they'll give it to you." So we patiently explain that the monument is useless laying in the back of someone's trash pile.

Possibly some previous surveyor told them that the stone was very important and "they needed to take very good care of it". Why, in those circumstances, who in good conscience could just leave it in the ground where who knows what might happen to it? Something that valuable ought to be indoors, one would have to think.

 
Posted : February 17, 2011 6:37 pm
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dmyhill

> Obviously reading comprehension wasn't requisite in your education.

I think I got the reading comprehension down...if you look at responses to your posts, I think that you will see that perhaps you weren't clear in what you wrote. What you suggested would be considered fraud, I am pretty sure, in this state. I am sure that is what you were truly meaning, therefore my comment about confused looks.

Personally, I don't prefer the argumentum ad hominem method of rhetoric. I was taught that it was an informal fallacy, one which clearly showed the person using it had lost and was making a last ditch effort. Of course, some find it to be the funnest of all rhetorical tactics, and it certainly makes reading forums more fun!

 
Posted : February 18, 2011 7:00 am
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dmyhill

> I am sure that is what you were truly meaning,

😛

I see my typing comprehension IS VERY BAD!

I meant to say that I do not think that you meant any sort of actions that would be considered fraud.

Sorry,
David

 
Posted : February 18, 2011 7:02 am
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