Kent McMillan, post: 445372, member: 3 wrote: Thank you for being late to the party, Eugene. I originally posted the link to that company earlier in this thread with the observation that GPR equipment is available for rent.
[SARCASM]Sorry, Kent. At 63 posts and counting for this thread, you just aren't that interesting for me to read every one of your posts![/SARCASM]
Oops, I mean 64 posts after your snarky reply to this post.
Then again, you seem a little uninterested in your own posts. Last night you posted this.
Kent McMillan, post: 445282, member: 3 wrote: As to waiting to hear from any Pennsylvania surveyors familiar with the area around Harmonyville in Warwick township of Chester County, I'm afraid that will be too long a wait. I thought the discussion progressed well in the absence of any local input aside from some folks who got agitated by the idea that some planted stone monuments might still exist under road pavements. That couldn't be helped, though.
Apparently there is a great business opportunity waiting for a surveyor who can demonstrate that he or she has unusual skill at actually finding the stones that are commonly regarded as either (a) never having been set or (b) having disappeared. It isn't clear, though whether he or she would be better paid to actually find the stones or NOT to find them.
How did you forgot this post by SReeserinPA from yesterday morning (underlining is my emphasis)? One would think that you would have remembered since you posted a reply (#154) to his post a few minutes later.
SReeserinPA, post: 445167, member: 6126 wrote: I am not familiar with this particular property, but I am licensed in PA, I am familiar in this particular area, I am familiar with the work of the individual that prepared the plan posted by Kent several postings ago, and I do practice in this area. Quite honestly the scenario outlined in the original post is all too typical. By this I refer to the apparent quick and dirty approach to the recent survey work, the confusion caused by the County GIS and the local property owner situation. I truly feel for this property owner as they have fallen into a mess that a fair amount of time and money will be required to make better, but never truly fix.
Perhaps you are right and my memory lapses are partially due to anoxia. I presume that your memory lapses are due to not wearing a hat in the Texas heat. The reason can't be that we are both close to retirement and have occasional senior moments. NAH! Can't be that.
Dave Karoly, post: 445416, member: 94 wrote: Come on Kent, be a man, back up your words with action! Oklahoma has nothing to do with this. You have what? 200 of the posts in this thread?
Hey, the question is whether there are planted stones under modern road pavements and the folks in Kansas and Oklahoma have also decided that their stones can't be found either. The same basic mechanism seems to apply there and in Pennsylvania, i.e. mysteriously disappearing stones that for some reason cannot be located with a metal detector. After seeing the photos of the Bing Street View of Harmonyville Road, the odds are looking excellent that the planted stones are merely buried, not vanished. I would use the probe first under the circumstances.
Gene Kooper, post: 445419, member: 9850 wrote: Sorry, Kent. At 63 posts and counting for this thread, you just aren't that interesting for me to read every one of your posts.
Yes, it's pretty clear that you feel at liberty to comment without actually engaging the subject under discussion. Oddly, I cannot say I am greatly surprised.
Kent McMillan, post: 445420, member: 3 wrote: Hey, the question is whether there are planted stones under modern road pavements and the folks in Kansas and Oklahoma have also decided that their stones can't be found either. The same basic mechanism seems to apply there and in Pennsylvania, i.e. mysteriously disappearing stones that for some reason cannot be located with a metal detector. After seeing the photos of the Bing Street View of Harmonyville Road, the odds are looking excellent that the planted stones are merely buried, not vanished. I would use the probe first under the circumstances.
Hey I'm agreeing with you! You're right! You should go over there, leave tonight, and set these folks straight. Show 'em how it's done. Maybe Scott Ellis will come with you for comic relief.
Oklahoma and Kansas have nothing to do with this. I don't know why you're bringing them up.
Kent McMillan, post: 445415, member: 3 wrote: Actually, Oklahoma is much closer than Pennsylvania.
Hey, leave us outa this...
Dave Karoly, post: 445423, member: 94 wrote: Oklahoma and Kansas have nothing to do with this. I don't know why you're bringing them up.
Okay, I'll mark you down as not having followed the discussion.
Kent McMillan, post: 445421, member: 3 wrote: Yes, it's pretty clear that you feel at liberty to comment without actually engaging the subject under discussion. Oddly, I am unsurprised.
Not reading all of your stylistic insults in a given thread doesn't mean that I am not engaged in the subject under discussion. I did check out Dave Karoly's GPR rental link.
paden cash, post: 445425, member: 20 wrote: Hey, leave us outa this...
Well, what sort of fee should one expect for NOT going to Oklahoma to find stones in road pavements marking PLSS corners? I mean you bill by the value, right?
Kent McMillan, post: 445421, member: 3 wrote: Yes, it's pretty clear that you feel at liberty to comment without actually engaging the subject under discussion. Oddly, I cannot say I am greatly surprised.
I will admit I actually came away from this mess a little smarter. I found a cool website that has jpegs of old comic books covers.
Kent McMillan, post: 445426, member: 3 wrote: Okay, I'll mark you down as not having followed the discussion.
Now you are deflecting and stalling, we know you can do it, just have to take a quick trip over there. It's a beautiful part of the country, worth a quick visit. Find the stones in one morning then take the rest of the week off basking in the glory!
Hint: there are 48 States that have nothing to do with this.
Dave Karoly, post: 445433, member: 94 wrote: just have to take a quick trip over there. It's a beautiful part of the country, worth a quick visit. Find the stones in one morning then take the rest of the week off basking in the glory!
Interestingly enough, this is similar to the Leon situation where he wanted someone to show up from thousands of miles away to mentor him on the fundamentals of land surveying. I consider the search for evidence to be fundamental.
What we have are some posters who have stated that they have never found a planted stone in a 19th-century road and some posters who never look for planted stones in roads for various reasons, including the belief that they were never set. I'm guessing that none of them would be thrilled to learn that there are stones yet in place. So, as a freebie, I don't see a payoff worth the effort that the demonstration would require.
Speaking of stones, here's a photo of one.
It's a nice area. Exburb of Philly. Bucks County to the NE is more of the desired destination of people leaving city life.
Looks like an old Quaker settlement. I have visited the Wharton Esherick Museum in the area. An American master wood sculpter and wood worker.
Ohio Surveyor, post: 445439, member: 12195 wrote: Speaking of stones, here's a photo of one.
That's pretty good. It confirms this report from 1882 that I found in print:
I'm going to guess that the lapse of time between a school buying land and building on it was not nearly as long as it is today, so that would place the date of the purchase of Triangle "B" in either 1881 or 1882, most likely, which would mean that the then late George Stoneback (d. 1880) probably was not the grantor.
Kent McMillan, post: 445437, member: 3 wrote: Interestingly enough, this is similar to the Leon situation where he wanted someone to show up from thousands of miles away to mentor him on the fundamentals of land surveying. I consider the search for evidence to be fundamental.
What we have are some posters who have stated that they have never found a planted stone in a 19th-century road and some posters who never look for planted stones in roads for various reasons, including the belief that they were never set. I'm guessing that none of them would be thrilled to learn that there are stones yet in place. So, as a freebie, I don't see a payoff worth the effort that the demonstration would require.
Right you are! They have to be there only to be uncovered by you! You sure talk a lot but when it comes time to deliver you just make lame excuses.
You were too chicken to take Leon's challenge and you are too chicken to take on this challenge. It's easy to trash talk from behind your keyboard in Austin but when you are called on to act you chicken out.
Dave Karoly, post: 445444, member: 94 wrote: You were too chicken to take Leon's challenge and you are too chicken to take on this challenge. It's easy to trash talk from behind your keyboard in Austin but when you are called on to act you chicken out.
Oh, I wouldn't describe declining Leon's request for mentoring as other than prudence. As for "trash talk", I'm afraid that any mention of uncovering old survey evidence is "trash talk" in your state of mind. I don't believe there is any remedy for that.
Kent McMillan, post: 445437, member: 3 wrote: What we have are some posters who have stated that they have never found a planted stone in a 19th-century road and some posters who never look for planted stones in roads for various reasons, including the belief that they were never set. I'm guessing that none of them would be thrilled to learn that there are stones yet in place. So, as a freebie, I don't see a payoff worth the effort that the demonstration would require.
And there is one poster without any professional training as a geophysicist, espousing the utility in finding buried stones underneath ancient roadways with GPR.
Dave and I are merely trying to help steer you into developing the tool and techniques that you assume will produce great results. Your espousing GPR as a retracement tool for land surveyors is a wee bit lacking without proving its utility in the field. For example, are you just going to take the salesman's word that a particular antenna will be sufficient? You seem to be saying that all one has to do is rent a unit and the stones will magically jump out on the screen. No professional training required. That is akin to giving a neophyte some GPS gear with software loaded on a laptop and assuming that they will be able to obtain professional results without any additional knowledge or training.
Gene Kooper, post: 445447, member: 9850 wrote: And there is one poster without any professional training as a geophysicist, espousing the utility in finding buried stones underneath ancient roadways with GPR.
Were you thinking that only geophysicists use GPR for subsurface investigation? I'll bet that will be news to a whole bunch of folks who use GPR regularly. I mean, you don't need to be an electrical engineer to use an EDM, right?
Well, Kent when you have no field experience in using a "black box" others will assume that you have some professional background in the field when you spout about the utility of a remote sensing technique such as GPR. Over the years, I've noticed that you are fond of showing off your Google knowledge of a plethora of subjects. But, hey that's why we all love your insightful inciteful posts
Kent McMillan, post: 445446, member: 3 wrote: Oh, I wouldn't describe declining Leon's request for mentoring as other than prudence. As for "trash talk", I'm afraid that any mention of uncovering old survey evidence is "trash talk" in your state of mind. I don't believe there is any remedy for that.
I'm thinking after you and Ellis uncover the stones the movie will star Jackie Chan as you and Chris Tucker as Scot Ellis! A la Rush Hour (1998).